Glock KPOS system

[jdberger]

Like the man said....stop digging.

You were wrong. You made a mistake. You acknowledged it.

Let it go.

[1911Operator]

Like the man said....stop digging.

You were wrong. You made a mistake. You acknowledged it.

Let it go.

maybe maybe not. and im not digging anything. id still chose a 9mm over a .223 anyways. its got a better chance to drop someone then a .223. and besides, if you want me to let it go, why did you post your comment? your going off topic again.

[Corbin Dallas]

wow! thats a cool video, but im not talking about "blow someone away power" im talking about what take less shots to bring a person down? look at this chart. they dont have .223 but they do have a 9mm and a 22WMR witch im guessing is the closest thing to a .223 on this chart. http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
it gives you a percentage on how likely it is to stop someone with one shot.

Wow, you really are naive aren't you? 22WMR is NOT the same as 223/556.

But if you believe it is, go for it. You can also believe that a 9mm has better stopping power over the 223/556 round.

I guess our military should ditch all their M4's and whip out the Beretta M9 from now on.

Seriously, just stop posting. The more you open your mouth, the more we know you don't know a thing.

[tacticalcity]

Looks like an SBR to me, which means a no-go here in CA. Not sure I would want one anyway. I'd rather keep my Glock as a handgun and save the specialized stuff for a firearm designed specifically for that roll. Thinking UZI, MAC-10, MP5 (the really short version), KRISS (not the civilian hack-job) and so forth all designed to be concealled under a heavy coat while delivering maximum fire-power. Trying to turn a Glock into a machine pistol/sub-machine gun just seems wrong to me.

As for 1911Operator, he is nice enough guy. Had lots of contact with him on this forum before. Cut him some slack.

FYI: I really enjoyed watching the clip from MythBusters you posted. Thanks. Watching that sort of stuff is a nice way to spend a lunch break.

[i1800collect]

they dont have .223 but they do have a 9mm and a 22WMR witch im guessing is the closest thing to a .223 on this chart.

Lolwut???

.223 (55gr bullet) = ~1300 ft-lbf
.22 WMR (50gr bullet) = ~300 ft-lbf

[stormy_clothing]

what 223? 75gr black hills, 100gr subsonic, 80 grain - vs what 100gr +P 9mm or 147gr +P or +P+ ? how about safety slugs ? incendiary ? stuff I can't tell you about but could probably get if I owned a fully auto sbr glock ?

[1911Operator]

Wow, you really are naive aren't you? 22WMR is NOT the same as 223/556.

But if you believe it is, go for it. You can also believe that a 9mm has better stopping power over the 223/556 round.

I guess our military should ditch all their M4's and whip out the Beretta M9 from now on.

Seriously, just stop posting. The more you open your mouth, the more we know you don't know a thing.

im pretty sure I said "I THINK ITS THE CLOSEST TO A .223 ON THE CHART" , and a comment coming from you who thinks 1.17 ounces is a "HUGE" difference!

[1911Operator]

Wow, you really are naive aren't you? 22WMR is NOT the same as 223/556.

But if you believe it is, go for it. You can also believe that a 9mm has better stopping power over the 223/556 round.

I guess our military should ditch all their M4's and whip out the Beretta M9 from now on.

Seriously, just stop posting. The more you open your mouth, the more we know you don't know a thing.

and by the way stop bring a troll, and thread crapping! if you want go and start your own thread.

[elSquid]

9mm Ball:



5.56 M193 FMJ:



From:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

As for the KPOS, if it was legal to do so, I'd probably buy one and toss my G17 in it. Looks like fun!

-- Michael

[ZombieTactics]

wow! thats a cool video, but im not talking about "blow someone away power" im talking about what take less shots to bring a person down?

In that case, you are using the term "knockdown power" incorrectly. You really mean "stopping power".

look at this chart. they dont have .223 but they do have a 9mm and a 22WMR witch im guessing is the closest thing to a .223 on this chart. ...it gives you a percentage on how likely it is to stop someone with one shot.

Again ... digging a deeper hole as you go. Neither 22WMR nor 9mm is even marginally close to the power of a standard .223/5.56mm round. You can see that readily by simply noting that the 22WMR generates 174 foot lbs. of force at muzzle, the most powerful 9mm round listed comes in at 474 ... and .223/5.56 (as noted earlier in the thread) is about 1400 foot pounds force.

I've covered this already but it bears repeating. The 22WMR and 9mm rounds (all handgun rounds, really) will make neat holes approximately the size of the bullet. A rifle round like .223/5.56mm will create devastating cavitation effects resulting in a much larger wound profile.

Back to the point regarding the topic of this thread: A PDW-type stock like the KPOS offers an advantage over a simple pistol stock only to the degree that it confers greater accuracy. A 9mm round simply does not have better "stopping power" than a suitable .223/5.56mm round by any stretch of anyone's fevered imagination to the contrary.

[ZombieTactics]

... id still chose a 9mm over a .223 anyways. its got a better chance to drop someone then a .223. ...

It absolutely does not. I am told you are a nice guy. The fact that you did not have a clue prior to this discussion doesn't mean you're an idiot, and I am not calling you one.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but what we're talking about here isn't a matter of opinion. The facts are simply contrary to what you have supposed. Please try to open your mind here and learn something.

[-hanko]

we put a old vest around a sandbag, stood it up, shot it with our m4's and the round just went through all the way. when we shot it with the 9mm the first round tore it up pretty good because there was already holes from the .223's we shot, but it did not go through. the bullet was caught by the flack vest, but it did make the vest and sand bag tilt back a few degree's. the second round was placed a little higher (maybe 3 inches higher COT) and it dint go trough either, but it did manage to knock it over on its back. we just stood it back up and shot it with a AK and M240B machinegun. it just tore it up to hell after that.

You do understand that unless you put holes in the bad guy he's not dead, he's just temporarily down??

-hanko

[jdberger]

You do understand that unless you put holes in the bad guy he's not dead, he's just temporarily down??

-hanko

By the OP's reckoning, a baseball bat to the chest has more "knockdown power" than a 9mm.

[1911Operator]

You do understand that unless you put holes in the bad guy he's not dead, he's just temporarily down??

-hanko

yeah I know, ive been shot before, in my left knee. its very temporary and I was still able to function exept I couldnt walk or move around too much. and dont ask cause I dont like to talk about it.

[1911Operator]

By the OP's reckoning, a baseball bat to the chest has more "knockdown power" than a 9mm.

still off topic! go start your own thread troll :P