Glock KPOS system

[evidens83]

Hell yeah Id get one.

I'm there with you brotha

[joefreas]

more compact, easy to move around, very light and can be accurate to long distances. I really like it myself.

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standard 9mm (115gr bullet) velocity is about 1,200
standard .223 (55gr bullet) velocity is about 3,200

I think id like the harder hitting 9mm over the .223. you can also get +p 9mm's in 147gr too. although .223's are peircing rounds, they wont stop someone like a 9mm would. 9mm is also cheaper then .223 , but both are very easy to get a hold of! I was issued a bran spankin new M4 for 3 years, they are nice but think the round is a little over rated. I wouldnt mind a AR in 9mm though.

I had a semi auto 9mm rifle and I wasn't very impressed. It was definitley not a match to an M4 riifle. Although the KPOS does look fun to shoot for 25-100 yard steel.

[J-cat]

Harder hitting 9mm???

[1911su16b870]

As a gun guy, I think this little SBR pistol carbine is neat...but an invention to a problem that doesn't exist. The Magpul Glock in a box thing is also neat due to it's concealablility. If you need to go to a carbine, you need to go to a major caliber and not a pistol caliber. You will not have time to reconfigure your duty sidearm into this contraption...it will have to be pre-configured and ready to go...but your ballistics are the same as a side arm. It is not enough gun. The current influx of 7.5-in AR pistols and the AK pistols are in rifle calibers and just as concealable with over twice the projectile velocity of hand guns and in CQC distances (less than 100 yards) will be enough gun.

[1911Operator]

Harder hitting 9mm???

yeah, 9mm will hit harder the .223 because of 3x more weight , slower velocity, bigger in diameter. .223 is just a peircing round. unless your using top notch HP's. then it will do some damage but those can be very costly.

[CSACANNONEER]

yeah, 9mm will hit harder the .223 because of 3x more weight , slower velocity, bigger in diameter. .223 is just a peircing round. unless your using top notch HP's. then it will do some damage but those can be very costly.

9mm will not "hit harder" than .223 or 5.56. It will probably transfer more energy but, it will actually hit the target with less energy than a .223/5.56.

[ZombieTactics]

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standard 9mm (115gr bullet) velocity is about 1,200
standard .223 (55gr bullet) velocity is about 3,200

I think id like the harder hitting 9mm over the .223. you can also get +p 9mm's in 147gr too. although .223's are peircing rounds, they wont stop someone like a 9mm would. ...

Standard 9mm (115gr bullet) velocity is about 1,200fps = about 350 foot pounds force
Standard .223 (55gr bullet) velocity is about 3,200fps = about 1400 foot pounds force

A 9mm FMJ bullet hitting soft tissue makes a nice 9mm sized hole, with little damage to the surrounding tissue. A .223/5.56mm FMJ round hitting soft tissue usually creates significant cavitation, often inflicting major damage over an area about the size of a handball. A 9mm round narrowly missing the spleen or heart ... misses it. A .223/5.56mm round narrowly missing the spleen or heart often causes the organ to rupture.

A 9mm FMJ bullet hitting bone can break the bone quite nicely. A .223/5.56mm FMJ round hitting bone shatters the bone into little razor sharp shards which are then blown throughout the surrounding tissue. People have been killed standing next to someone shot in this manner. Pieces of bone are often found inches deep in surrounding wood beams or trees.

If we are talking about optional round types, the effects of ballistic tip or HP .223/5.56mm ammunition are devastatingly superior to anything in 9mm.

Given the simple fact that a rifle is inherently more accurate to begin with (longer barrel and sight radius), it's also more likely to actually result in a good hit to begin with.

The above is a simple application of physics and common knowledge among paramedics, ER doctors, forensic pathologists and medical examiners.

I'd like to know in what sense is 9mm ever "harder hitting" or more likely to "stop someone" comparing shot-to-shot, wound-to-wound? (I do know of some cases where .223/5.56mm will simply penetrate cleanly with little cavitative effect. In these cases it's not much better than 22LR, and the 9mm would be superior. These are the more rare instances, however.)

There are reasons why the primary weapon of every military unit on the planet is a rifle of some kind, and not a pistol.

[1911Operator]

ok maybe i had my facts wrong, but lets get back on topic with this KPOS system. does anyone think that its actually worth it?

[-hanko]

yeah, 9mm will hit harder the .223 because of 3x more weight , slower velocity, bigger in diameter. .223 is just a peircing round. unless your using top notch HP's. then it will do some damage but those can be very costly.

Completely wrong By your logic, a .45acp target load scooting along at 700 fps weighing 200gr or so will out-do the 9mm...where did you come up with that theory??

Is KPOS synonymous with Kaboom-POS??

OP, google "nfa sbr"...not at all good idea if you posses a glock that the KPOS will fit.

hth

-hanko

[stormy_clothing]

The guys that use these are the same that can buy a FA conversion for the glock which is where it really shines - the extended blast shield helps keep the front end down and it's nice having 30 rounds of 9mm for a close gun battle in a setting where you don't want to be popping off rifle rounds - better this than an uzi since there small enough you can carry 2 and it's a glock so point click shoot. I'd also venture to guess that the people to mainly utilize these aren't forum newbs trying to debate ammo efficiency when there not even privy to the rounds it was designed for.

[1911Operator]

I'd also venture to guess that the people to mainly utilize these aren't forum newbs trying to debate ammo efficiency when there not even privy to the rounds it was designed for.

ok get over it, guess you never made a mistake huh? shot at some body armor and tell me which round knocks it down, the 9mm or .223! Ive dumped 50 rounds out of my M4 into a flack vest and just holes all the way through. 2 rounds out of a beretta and it went down. hence "knock down power"

[ZombieTactics]

... shot at some body armor and tell me which round knocks it down, the 9mm or .223! Ive dumped 50 rounds out of my M4 into a flack vest and just holes all the way through. 2 rounds out of a beretta and it went down. hence "knock down power" ...

Please stop digging. We aren't talking about shooting inanimate objects. "Knock down power" is an established myth, as long as the laws of physics in the known universe haven't changed recently. Even a one-ounce shotgun slug which fully expands and thereby delivers its entire kinetic payload is unlikely to "knock down" any humanoid-type animal ... unless it's inherently unstable (maybe drunk, lol) to begin with.

For further study: CLICK HERE FOR FBI REPORT, "Handgun Wounding Factors ..."

Or for fun watch:

[-hanko]

ok get over it, guess you never made a mistake huh? shot at some body armor and tell me which round knocks it down, the 9mm or .223! Ive dumped 50 rounds out of my M4 into a flack vest and just holes all the way through. 2 rounds out of a beretta and it went down. hence "knock down power"

Did the 9mm penetrate as they knocked it down??

-hanko

[1911Operator]

Did the 9mm penetrate as they knocked it down??

-hanko

we put a old vest around a sandbag, stood it up, shot it with our m4's and the round just went through all the way. when we shot it with the 9mm the first round tore it up pretty good because there was already holes from the .223's we shot, but it did not go through. the bullet was caught by the flack vest, but it did make the vest and sand bag tilt back a few degree's. the second round was placed a little higher (maybe 3 inches higher COT) and it dint go trough either, but it did manage to knock it over on its back. we just stood it back up and shot it with a AK and M240B machinegun. it just tore it up to hell after that.

[1911Operator]

Please stop digging. We aren't talking about shooting inanimate objects. "Knock down power" is an established myth, as long as the laws of physics in the known universe haven't changed recently. Even a one-ounce shotgun slug which fully expands and thereby delivers its entire kinetic payload is unlikely to "knock down" any humanoid-type animal ... unless it's inherently unstable (maybe drunk, lol) to begin with.

For further study: CLICK HERE FOR FBI REPORT, "Handgun Wounding Factors ..."

Or for fun watch:

wow! thats a cool video, but im not talking about "blow someone away power" im talking about what take less shots to bring a person down? look at this chart. they dont have .223 but they do have a 9mm and a 22WMR witch im guessing is the closest thing to a .223 on this chart. http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm
it gives you a percentage on how likely it is to stop someone with one shot.