Using a high capacity mag in gun range

[russ13]

[RickD427]

Russ,

I've been around my share of range mishaps. And also have been around my share of knuckleheads on a range.

All range rules represent a balance between range safety and the degree of intrusion on the shooter.

The main argument against very large magazines is the potential for a weapon to go into full auto. I've never seen that happen with a rifle. I've seen it several times with 1911's (usually where a knucklehead "polished" the sear freehand). The magazine capacity limit limits the amount of damage that can result.

[IVC]

The main argument against very large magazines is the potential for a weapon to go into full auto. I've never seen that happen with a rifle. I've seen it several times with 1911's (usually where a knucklehead "polished" the sear freehand). The magazine capacity limit limits the amount of damage that can result.

Heh, high-end 2011 with very light triggers (sub 2lb) can be bump-fired unintentionally. Ask me how I know.

Nonetheless, I would say that I've seen enough ranges where it's not just about the safety, it's about the optics combined with the fear of ever having to deal with the legal issues. Escondido Fish and Game is a typical example, where they have rules to make it look a certain way because they are afraid of getting too much attention given that they are in the hostile territory. I'm not sure I agree, but that's how they choose to run their show.

[Robert1234]

The owners of the range are part of the problem. They think that by marginalizing themselves, going beyond what the illegal and unconstitutional laws demand that they'll fly under the radar and not be destroyed when the California legislature finally decides to completely ignore the Constitution and just ban all guns. They won't be ignored. I'll have little sympathy for them.

[champu]

...they have rules to make it look a certain way because they are afraid of getting too much attention given that they are in the hostile territory...

[Robert1234]

Using standard magazines at the range is not synonymous with irresponsible/out-of-control mag dumps and owning them doesn't mean we fantasize about shooting people.

Seems like everyone speaking against using >10 round mags at ranges has fallen into the trap of projecting exactly this. Leftists love when we limit ourselves, it gets us used to what they're trying to foist upon us, and requires little effort on the part of the leftist.

Bump-firing, or a full-auto burst of 10 rounds is as scary as a full auto burst of 30 rounds. When something goes cyclic, I defy you to find someone who can accurately say how many rounds they heard.

That said, I've spent a lot of the last fifteen years at ranges at USPSA matches. I've seen and heard guns malfunction and run bursts. It's interesting, but more often than not, the guy holding the gun lets go of the trigger as soon as he sees/hears what's going on, usually after two or three shots (ask me how I know...). Then he has a huge grin, which turns quickly into a nervous smile as he realizes he is done for the day and has to fix his gun (again, ask me how I know...).

Bump-firing is another thing altogether, it's intentional. I don't get it, to me it's a waste of ammo, but to each his or her own. It's no more scary than any other rifle firing, and on most ranges in California they'll yell at you or send you home for doing it. You don't see it much unless you go to BLM land where there's no restrictions. Is it dangerous? Not unless you're downrange. Is it fun? For a second, then I wonder why I'm sending lead downrange with no aim. Is it worth the money (ammo costs)? That's for you to decide. It is illegal? No. Is it scary? Not for guys who aren't named "Nancy".

We as a community need to stop doing the anti-gun crowd's work for them. Make then uncomfortable spouting their nonsense around us, instead of us being uncomfortable around them because we own guns. Don't cowtow to their ridiculous demands. They cannot be appeased, only defeated. Conversations with them are not negotiations, they're hostile attempts at justifying their hoplophobia, and limiting our rights. These people are irrational, and more often than not unstable, and their views and beliefs should not be treated with anything other than contempt and disdain. They should be met with resistance of equal or greater enthusiasm.

[IVC]

That is all true, but it's also true that whatever magazine capacity one brings to the range, they are not really making a point one way or another because most of the time nobody else even knows what kind of magazines we have.

And I agree with your statement about "being white," since this is indeed a cultural war where no matter what our arguments are, we are not going to be "accepted" by the other side. We have to go to courts, then when we win we have to be obnoxious to the point where the other side is utterly shocked that we dare be who we are and be proud of that. Think about "hi-capacity magazine and AR parade" in San Francisco - and keep doing it as long as they squeal and try to prevent it. Incidentally, some of us who happen to be white must also be unapologetic about the color of our skin, which is the point you were making.

[cudakidd]

used them for 40 years NEVER had a issue come up. EVER!

[lastinline]

That is all true, but it's also true that whatever magazine capacity one brings to the range, they are not really making a point one way or another because most of the time nobody else even knows what kind of magazines we have.

And I agree with your statement about "being white," since this is indeed a cultural war where no matter what our arguments are, we are not going to be "accepted" by the other side. We have to go to courts, then when we win we have to be obnoxious to the point where the other side is utterly shocked that we dare be who we are and be proud of that. Think about "hi-capacity magazine and AR parade" in San Francisco - and keep doing it as long as they squeal and try to prevent it. Incidentally, some of us who happen to be white must also be unapologetic about the color of our skin, which is the point you were making.

A F’ing Men!.....well said.
White and proud of it.

[Endless]

It might be a silly question. Is it OK to use a high capacity magazine in gun range in California?

[Mark49]

Unfortunately even CRPA acknowledges that High cap mags may still be seized as "nuisance" items, although it is their opinion that it would be unlawful, and they make a good argument against it. It does not mean it may not happen if there is any ambiguity or wiggle room on the part of the LEO and it's going to be more trouble than it's worth to get them back. Just to provide all of the perspectives.

https://crpa.org/news/blogs/crpa-alert-moving-forward-with-large-capacity-magazine-court-ordered-stay/

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It's been awhile back, but one Calgunner posted his story about "Hi-cap" mag seized. I beleive one of our attorneys chimed in and said go back to the police station and ask for it back. He did just that and walked out of the station with "Hi-cap" in hand. I think this took place in the LA area?

[lastinline]

Unfortunately even CRPA acknowledges that High cap mags may still be seized as "nuisance" items, although it is their opinion that it would be unlawful, and they make a good argument against it. It does not mean it may not happen if there is any ambiguity or wiggle room on the part of the LEO and it's going to be more trouble than it's worth to get them back. Just to provide all of the perspectives.

https://crpa.org/news/blogs/crpa-alert-moving-forward-with-large-capacity-magazine-court-ordered-stay/

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[jimbo74]

I'm in the San Fran bay area, and none of the ranges I have ever gone to have said anything about my 60 rd drum.

Eidt: Didn't realize this was in handgun forum. The ar pictured is a rifle. I do have 2x 16 rd mags for my xd9 along with several 10rd mags, never had an issue at the range.20210224_214007.jpg

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[NorCalRT]

ummmmm....

[IVC]

Two posters already mentioned that they've never been checked at the range. Me neither. So let me ask this group ... has anyone ever checked your magazine at a range?

nope

I have not. Some others may have. there have been reports over the years of being checked on BLM, or people getting charged with LCM, but usually those involve other reasons for a primary interaction or charges.

Never. As I said before, I am a veteran LEO and shoot at public ranges for many years . I never been questioned or witnessed anyone being questioned regarding what magazines they use , what guns they are shooting, what type of magazine release they have on their rifles , ETC. The ONLY thing I notice , that many ranges dont want people to shoot steel core ammo.

Me neither, BUT (and this is a big BUT), we are talking about legality, not how/when/where/if it's enforced.

It's similar to asking whether marijuana is legal in CA and getting answers "yes it's legal," "nobody will ever arrest you for smoking," "don't be a sissy, go smoke it," while we know that it's still a schedule 1 listed drug, that federal law trumps state law, and that any federal LEO can arrest anyone at any time for anything from growing, to possession to smoking marijuana.

Legal landscape, for marijuana or hi-caps, is just that - the current legal status; what's on the books. It doesn't change based on how it's enforced.