New AR Pistol for California, NOT A SINGLE SHOT

[sfvshooter]

Made a few changes to mine. Might keep the stock.

[enorbit3]

Looks great SFV.

[ar15barrels]

A lot of the discussion in this thread has been about converting it to Semi-Auto. I thought the conclusion was that it was legal.

It's as legal as a DA decides it is.
Just beware that many DA's are anti-gun and they get to use our tax dollars to support their agenda of prosecuting people for things that are not clearly delineated by the law.
So it's legal as long as you are willing to defend yourself against an officer and DA who may decide it's not.

DOJ gives this guidance:

Aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot pistols (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may be considered manufacturing these pistols into assault weapons. See California Penal Code section 30515, subdivision (a)(1), for a list of assault weapon characteristics. The purchaser could be in violation of Penal Code section 30600, prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons, and Penal Code section 30605(a), prohibiting the possession of unregistered assault weapons.
Alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.

They use the term "single shot" to describe handguns that have to be cycled between each shot because you can only fire a single shot until you have to manipulate the gun to load another cartridge.
This manipulation could be opening the action and inserting a cartridge or it could be cycling the action to load another cartridge from a magazine.
Either method is a manipulation of the action in order to load the chamber.
This is in differentiation to self-loading or semi-auto guns which will fire a shot with each trigger pull and no manipulation of the action between shots.
They are primarily concerned with restricting semi-auto firearms.
That's why the roster has so many more restrictions on semi-autos than it does on single shots.

[AlienHobo]

It's as legal as a DA decides it is.
Just beware that many DA's are anti-gun and they get to use our tax dollars to support their agenda of prosecuting people for things that are not clearly delineated by the law.
So it's legal as long as you are willing to defend yourself against an officer and DA who may decide it's not.

Ah, o.k. Understood.

[jimbo74]

The FA CA7 is not a single shot pistol. It is a bolt-action, repeater.

It is ON-Roster

[ar15barrels]

The FA CA7 is not a single shot pistol. It is a bolt-action, repeater.

It is ON-Roster

It's on roster AS a bolt action which is NOT a semi-auto.
As long as it's a bolt action, it's still on the roster.

In order to GET on roster as a semi-auto, it would need to have a loaded chamber indicator, magazine disconnect and microstamping to make it a SAFE semi-auto pistol.
Converting a rostered pistol into an unsafe configuration makes it a new unsafe handgun which is NOT rostered the exact same way that converting a single-shot handgun into a semi-auto makes it an unsafe handgun that is illegal under the roster laws.

[jimbo74]

It's on roster AS a bolt action which is NOT a semi-auto.
As long as it's a bolt action, it's still on the roster.

In order to GET on roster as a semi-auto, it would need to have a loaded chamber indicator, magazine disconnect and microstamping to make it a SAFE semi-auto pistol.
Converting a rostered pistol into an unsafe configuration makes it a new unsafe handgun which is NOT rostered the exact same way that converting a single-shot handgun into a semi-auto makes it an unsafe handgun that is illegal under the roster laws.

You are entitled to your opinion.

The DOJ unsafe memo was single shot pistols. The FA CA7 is not a single shot pistol.

Do what you feel comfortable with.

[Efrain408]

[enorbit3]

Hey SFV, what upper is that? 11.5"? I dig the surefire warden too. Does it help with the muzzle flash?

From what I understand, the shorter the barrel, the bigger the fireball.

[plumbum]

Man I have a CA7 on layaway now after reading all this about not being able to switch uppers, let’s just say I’ll probably just buy an AK or revolver ����*♂️

If you buy an on-roster Glock in 10mm and then swap the barrel to a 9x25 Dillon, is it manufacturing a new firearm because there are absolutely zero 9x25 Dillon Glocks on roster? The action style is irrelevant. The roster is irrelevant. The only laws that affect a legally DROS’ed, rostered AR pistol are the AW laws.

Legally, one can take an 80% lower, make a single-shot pistol which is incapable of accepting a magazine or more than a single round and that is exempt from the roster requirements (when registered with the DOJ). Currently this is the only way to manufacture your own AR pistol; converting an AR pistol, which was manufactured in a way to be exempt from roster requirements, into a semiautomatic firearm, MAY be considered illegal. I’m sure that people who used SSE 1.0 to circumvent the roster had nothing to do with this memo...

But again, many people have laid out their opinions, read through and make your own choices. My personal CA7 is not afraid of any memos from the DOJ.

[SCVlongstroke]

You are entitled to your opinion.

The DOJ unsafe memo was single shot pistols. The FA CA7 is not a single shot pistol.

Do what you feel comfortable with.

It’s an on roster pistol which can only remain on roster in it’s original configuration. Unsafe pistol would be its new classification if the CA7 is converted with a semi auto upper. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m going to need a law degree living in California.

[sfvshooter]

Hey SFV, what upper is that? 11.5"? I dig the surefire warden too. Does it help with the muzzle flash?

From what I understand, the shorter the barrel, the bigger the fireball.

CMT 10.5" upper.

Warden is to spare those around me from muzzle blast. Haven't noticed extra muzzle flash, but probably wasn't looking for it either.

[enorbit3]

Ok gotcha. Yeah it looks good and I'm doing 10.5" also.

So now that I'm delving into this pistol build I'm gonna get a new upper. Do you guys use the Franklin bcg or get a new bcg altogether.

Also did u reuse the Franklin buffer in a new carbine tube or get a new complete buffer assembly?

Sorry for all the questions and I appreciate all the insight.

[plumbum]

It’s an on roster pistol which can only remain on roster in it’s original configuration. Unsafe pistol would be its new classification if the CA7 is converted with a semi auto upper. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m going to need a law degree living in California.

Just to clarify: can you quote the law that requires guns to remain exactly as they were qualified on roster, after they were legally transferred? I’m assuming it’s the same law that says you can’t legally transfer an off-roster handgun via private party.

[SCVlongstroke]

Just to clarify: can you quote the law that requires guns to remain exactly as they were qualified on roster, after they were legally transferred? I’m assuming it’s the same law that says you can’t legally transfer an off-roster handgun via private party.

My apologies, I have should have worded that better:

AR15 Barrels quote

It's on roster AS a bolt action which is NOT a semi-auto.
As long as it's a bolt action, it's still on the roster.