2017 AR pistol thread (master)

[deephouse]

The detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip is a "feature"

There is some question as to whether the BB is still valid for eliminating this "feature" but I would not want to be the test case.

Until a test case is settled, I maintain that is is not possible to build a featureless AR or AK pistol.

It MUST be fixed magazine or break-top.

Not questioning this, but just wanted to re confirm - fixed magazine in a AR Pistol is good to go?

To clarify further:
- the AR Pistol was purchased SSE1 days.
- The magazine is a 10/20.
- There would be a regular mag drop BUT it is fixed via the FCHooK device - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgVgrrubS5c

I'm posting here on behalf of a response from another thread, for your reference:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=19741065&postcount=11

Thanks in advance, I thought I had my head wrapped around all of this....

[Cokebottle]

Not questioning this, but just wanted to re confirm - fixed magazine in a AR Pistol is good to go?

To clarify further:
- the AR Pistol was purchased SSE1 days.
- The magazine is a 10/20.
- There would be a regular mag drop BUT it is fixed via the FCHooK device - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgVgrrubS5c

I'm posting here on behalf of a response from another thread, for your reference:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=19741065&postcount=11

Thanks in advance, I thought I had my head wrapped around all of this....

The AW regs apply to any semiautomatic centerfire rifle without a fixed magazine, or any semiautomatic pistol able to accept a detachable magazine.
A fixed magazine would exempt both rifle and pistol.
Randall clarified a couple of posts later... he was referring to the 2018/2019 "Ghost Gun" law... since you bought yours through an FFL under SSEv1.0, you are already in the database and the lower is legally marked... it's good to go.

[deephouse]

^^ I appreciate it, I had to add more detail to my post but was able to put the pieces together. You guys rock!

[boggerbret]

SO please forgive me for not understanding this part, But If you build the Pistol with a fix 10 rd mag and it doesn't have a gas system in place then why the need for the 0 sled mag? wouldn't be a single shot bolt action with a fix 10 rd mag?

[Cokebottle]

SO please forgive me for not understanding this part, But If you build the Pistol with a fix 10 rd mag and it doesn't have a gas system in place then why the need for the 0 sled mag? wouldn't be a single shot bolt action with a fix 10 rd mag?

It would still be a non-single-shot straight-pull bolt action (it we're talking about an AR design) if the buffer tube is in place.

With the buffer replaced with a cap, it would technically meet the legal definition since it could not load from the magazine, but the presence of the magazine vs a sled may be construed as to show intent.

[LFOD]

AR PISTOL

Can a AR pistol still be legally built in CA?

Will the Inland Arms bolt product work? Along with a 80% AR lower build?

[LeadFarmer74]

Only if it is single shot or is built with the new bullet button that requires you to break open the action.

[edgerly779]

Please use search many posts on this. Yes you can build. Must jump thru the proper hoops built as single shot bolt or break top. No gas system. Will have to be engraved with proper info eventually. Must be fixed mag after conversion. Do not use a polymer 80%

[Firstcruise79]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1311906

[LFOD]

Please use search many posts on this. Yes you can build. Must jump thru the proper hoops built as single shot bolt or break top. No gas system. Will have to be engraved with proper info eventually. Must be fixed mag after conversion. Do not use a polymer 80%

Thanks, Brother!

I did search for AR Pistol build but found nothing.

Thanks, again.

[edgerly779]

^^^ Pis5poor example to use. Firstcruise.

[LFOD]

Can I do a featureless build with a:
1. Fin on the grip
2. Proper Comp
3. Blade butt stock

Is the bullet button or fixed mag required?

and would that allow me to avoid:

1. Fixed Mag
2. Breaking lower and upper

On my way to the recommended thread now.

[meno377]

Can a AR pistol still be legally built in CA?

Will the Inland Arms bolt product work? Along with a 80% AR lower build?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=19791192&postcount=2

[edgerly779]

^^^ That is correct referral better than the newbie. (LOL)

[LFOD]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1311906

Seems like this stirs up more questions than answers. Although it provides a tremendous amount of clarity.

There are still many questions still awaiting legal rendering.