2017 AR pistol thread (master)

[Nor*Cal]

Since I completed my lower before the new year I might be able to complete my AR pistol? Or is the requirement to complete the build before the new year? Thank you everyone for the info!

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It needed to be a functional firearm between 2001 and 2016 to be legally registered as an assault weapon.

You can still complete your build in 2017 but not as an assault weapon.

[Jimi Jah]

I'm converting mine to rimfire. The buffer tube will be removed and replaced with one of my Ceiner conversion bolts and a Spikes buffer plug.

It was made several years ago and it is engraved and anodized. I'm not registering it nor playing cops and robbers with ill informed CA LEO's. I'm not going to wear down my receiver with the fixed mag. I'm removing/modifying all jail bait here. I'm keeping all the parts just in case.

[9mmContagion]

I'm converting mine to rimfire. The buffer tube will be removed and replaced with one of my Ceiner conversion bolts and a Spikes buffer plug.

It was made several years ago and it is engraved and anodized. I'm not registering it nor playing cops and robbers with ill informed CA LEO's. I'm not going to wear down my receiver with the fixed mag. I'm removing/modifying all jail bait here. I'm keeping all the parts just in case.

You'll also need to remove the handguard as that will be considered a barrel shroud... unless you plan on using a fixed mag solution. You can follow the handgun flow chart in the link at the top of the page

[Capybara]

...Now as far as an AR pistol...., you CANNOT make it featureless like the rifle based of SB 880's revised definitions. So your only choices are to register it (if built prior to 12/31/16), or make one yourself from an 80% lower and have the BB reloaded or ARMaglock installed. Once a rifle or PISTOL is classified as a "fixed magazine" under this new law (not the old one-remember "revised law"), then the evil features don't mean anything or come into play at all under the new definition.

So those who have an AR pistol have one year to see what happens in reference to case law affecting the BB Reloaded or ARMaglock that hopefully is rendered this year (I suspect it will).

Did you leave out the Franklin Armory DFM on purpose or overlooked it?

[MolonLabe1]

That would work as well, but reloading that devise is much more time consuming than the two I mentioned. With the two I mentioned, the operator only has to slightly raise the rear of the upper from the lower to drop the mag verses opening up the upper all the way to reload.


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[Jimi Jah]

You'll also need to remove the handguard as that will be considered a barrel shroud... unless you plan on using a fixed mag solution. You can follow the handgun flow chart in the link at the top of the page

It has a Yankee Hill freefloat tube, it's round and unscrews easily. If I take that off it's GTG as a rimfire? I thought rimfire was exempt from all this BS?

[MolonLabe1]

Did you leave out the Franklin Armory DFM on purpose or overlooked it?

Also.... I'm certain the ARMaglock and BB2 will be challenged in a court case at some point this year because with that devise, I can literally do a mag swap in less time than the original BB... I timed myself with an ARMaglock, and I can swap a new mag in less than 3 seconds. The Franklin will take much longer, and since that is what the Commie legislators were trying to implement, the Franklin may be CA's only choice if the ARMLCK AND BB2 are nullified in a court case. I just can't see it because to drop the mag on these devices, the action is technically disassembled, whereas the hammer is separated from the firing pin. But again..... we need to remember who we are dealing with here in Commifornia headed up by a dope smoking governor named moonbeam who thinks actual criminals will follow any gun law.

GUN CONTROL is not about guns; it's about CONTROL.


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[Nor*Cal]

Also.... I'm certain the ARMaglock and BB2 will be challenged in a court case at some point this year because with that devise, I can literally do a mag swap in less time than the original BB... I timed myself with an ARMaglock, and I can swap a new mag in less than 3 seconds. The Franklin will take much longer, and since that is what the Commie legislators were trying to implement, the Franklin may be CA's only choice if the ARMLCK AND BB2 are nullified in a court case. I just can't see it because to drop the mag on these devices, the action is technically disassembled, whereas the hammer is separated from the firing pin. But again..... we need to remember who we are dealing with here in Commifornia headed up by a dope smoking governor named moonbeam who thinks actual criminals will follow any gun law.

GUN CONTROL is not about guns; it's about CONTROL.

Stop with the paranoia. Who cares how fast you can change mags, that is not how the law is written. Those devices force you to break open the action in order to reload. That's all that matters.

This is the same crap we heard when the original bullet button was invented. And the same crap we heard when SSE was figured out.

Don't do this or you're going to end up in jail.

[MolonLabe1]

Stop with the paranoia. Who cares how fast you can change mags, that is not how the law is written. Those devices force you to break open the action in order to reload. That's all that matters.



This is the same crap we heard when the original bullet button was invented. And the same crap we heard when SSE was figured out.



Don't do this or you're going to end up in jail.

Who's paranoid? How am I going to jail? I support the ARMaglock and BB2..., read the posts. I said they will be challenged because of this Commie state. All it takes is some lame LEO and a libtard prosecutor who want to make a name for themselves and try. As a constitutional LEO myself, I interpret the ARMaglock and BB2 as disassembly of the action.


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[9mmContagion]

It has a Yankee Hill freefloat tube, it's round and unscrews easily. If I take that off it's GTG as a rimfire? I thought rimfire was exempt from all this BS?

IIRC, a pistol is a pistol, there are no centerfire/rimfire differences for pistols. Therefore, following the flow chart, once the BB was deemed "NOT a fixed magazine device," you move to not being allowed a shroud or threaded barrel.

Yes, if you remove the handguard, you should be G2G

[autoduel]

Who's paranoid? How am I going to jail? I support the ARMaglock and BB2..., read the posts. I said they will be challenged because of this Commie state. All it takes is some lame LEO and a libtard prosecutor who want to make a name for themselves and try. As a constitutional LEO myself, I interpret the ARMaglock and BB2 as disassembly of the action.


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They won't challenge them because the devices follow the letter of the law. What will happen is they will change the wording in the next bill to make them non-compliant and around and around we go.

[Nor*Cal]

Who's paranoid? How am I going to jail? I support the ARMaglock and BB2..., read the posts. I said they will be challenged because of this Commie state. All it takes is some lame LEO and a libtard prosecutor who want to make a name for themselves and try. As a constitutional LEO myself, I interpret the ARMaglock and BB2 as disassembly of the action.


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I thought it was you that called an AR pistol "jail bait" in this thread but that was another member. Sorry.

And I appreciate you being a constitutional LEO. But I do not agree with your thought that these new devices will be challenged in court. They follow the letter of the law. Were there any arrests and court cases on the original bullet buttons? Or the SSE process for pistols? I'm actually not sure but do not believe there were. And I do not believe there will be any for these new devices either.

I've said it before and will say it again. As a law abiding gun owner, I am not going to live my life in fear of some overzealous LEO interpreting the law in his own manner. If it happens it happens, but I'm going to continue to live my life and continue to legally configure and shoot my guns. I'm also not going to be intimidated by this states unconstitutional politicians and their anti 2A laws.

[MolonLabe1]

I thought it was you that called an AR pistol "jail bait" in this thread but that was another member. Sorry.

And I appreciate you being a constitutional LEO. But I do not agree with your thought that these new devices will be challenged in court. They follow the letter of the law. Were there any arrests and court cases on the original bullet buttons? Or the SSE process for pistols? I'm actually not sure but do not believe there were. And I do not believe there will be any for these new devices either.

I've said it before and will say it again. As a law abiding gun owner, I am not going to live my life in fear of some overzealous LEO interpreting the law in his own manner. If it happens it happens, but I'm going to continue to live my life and continue to legally configure and shoot my guns. I'm also not going to be intimidated by this states unconstitutional politicians and their anti 2A laws.

Yeah right on brother, I agree!...

I've done the job for 28 years, and I know first hand what type of LEOs are being hired today (it'd blow your mind). So, that is why my opinion is... I suspect they'll be challenged in court by a millennial LEO and followed up by an over zealous POS DA. My nature, because of the job, lends me to always suspect the worse and hope and pray for the best. 2 more years, and I'm out of this f'ed up nanny sanctuary state. Hopefully Trump can do something about this state, but I doubt it. I also hope I'm out before he just continues the walk up the Ca / Az, Nv, Or, and Wa boarders.[emoji23]


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[MolonLabe1]

Yeah right on brother, I agree!...

I've done the job for 28 years, and I know first hand what type of LEOs are being hired today (it'd blow your mind). So, that is why my opinion is... I suspect they'll be challenged in court by a millennial LEO and followed up by an over zealous POS DA. My nature, because of the job, lends me to always suspect the worse and hope and pray for the best. 2 more years, and I'm out of this f'ed up nanny sanctuary state. Hopefully Trump can do something about this state, but I doubt it. I also hope I'm out before he just continues the wall up the Ca / Az, Nv, Or, and Wa boarders.[emoji23]


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[Wiz-of-Awd]

Where do we stand, in case I missed it, on AR pistols that were purchased as "single-shot," and are still single shot?

A.W.D.