Frog Lube poor performance

[CandG]

I'm still lost as to why people insist on using gimmick snake oils. CLP, motor oil, ATF, bearing grease, cosomoline, brake cleaner (acetone), seafoam... they all work. Only thing missing, is a copper fouling solvent.

Gun oil, beyond CLP, is a joke IMO.

What do I use to clean my guns? Clp and occasionally seafoam. Bore brush and eyelet with cotton patches, or a bore snake. AP brush and some q tips.

What lubes them? Marine grease or clp.

Do they work? Yes.

I agree with your points about cleaners, yes any solvent will work fine as long as it doesn't harm any of the materials your gun is made of.

But disagree with your points about lubricants. Some of the BEST lubricants for guns, in theory, things like you suggested, work great... for a couple rounds. But not so well after they get heated up to 500 degrees (a typical car engine heats up to about 180-200 degrees, fyi), and collect a bunch of gunpowder residue and lead dust (things you're not likely to encounter in automotive and marine applications). I'm sure your experiences with said lubricants has been fine, otherwise you wouldn't have written that... but that doesn't make it the right answer. I can also open a can of tuna with a phillips-head screw-driver, but that doesn't mean that a can-opener "is a joke".

A common quote around here is something like "This lubricant can keep a Ferrari F1 motor running at 10,000RPM for 2 hours, so I think it can handle my puny little pistol."

Ya sure, if your pistol only reaches 205 degrees, doesn't burn gunpowder, and doesn't need to last more than 2 hours.

That said, many/most gun lubes are garbage, I agree. They're merely the result of a 30 minute marketing department meeting. But don't make the mistake of lumping every single modern gun oil into that category. There are quite a few modern lubes that actually perform unarguably better than CLP. Hornady OneShot is one of those.

[Cokebottle]

In before the excuses

And this is what happens when you provide some basic information to your lone-wolf distributor network and let them run with it without publishing anything definitive.

Yes Amsoil, you have some great products, but I'm also talking to you as well as Froglube.

[ducitis]

Awesome, thank you! And it should go without saying that everyone needs to pick up 150% of with they arrived with, but unfortunately you're right, it usually needs to be said

Anyways, we now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

FYI, the Calaveras county sheriff allows people to shoot in a lot of places in the county as long as its county jurisdiction and not the national park or private property. But I prefer the Arnold rim trail since its BLM and I'm not risking a sheriff changing his mind the day I go out shooting.

[teflondog]

I had a few problems with the paste. It would congeal in my guns if they sat in the safe. I switched to the liquid version and haven't had any problems yet. I do eventually plan on switching to Slip 2000 EWL just to try something different.

[drdarkness]

Keeps my feet dry, after all this rain everyone else that's been use boot oil have wet feet after a couple of days walking in water.....hahaha.

[nothingextra]

Auto lubes are fine, aviation lubes are better.
I throw a couple bucks to whoever is wrenching for some.
Most of the time they shoot and don't care about the $.
A few oz's for a gun, they have that on their work pants or a rag so its no sweat.

[RaiderNation]

F frog lube. I spent nearly 5 hours cleaning all my guns that had that crap on them. I used the paste on my Tavor and noticed some spots that looked like white mold was growing on the gun. Now I just use Slip2000 as my clp and gun butter on the slides of pistols.

[meno377]

For years and years, I have used Break Free CLP and RIG (Rust Inhib Grease). I recently decided to try this new Frog Lube based on glowing reports. Well, if didn't work out well for me. For the most part, revolvers functioned fine. Semi-Autos were a different story. When the weather turned cold, the Frog Lube turned to a very sticky substance. The slides were very slow and manys times did not cycle at all. Of course, I am going back to my old reliable Break Free and RIG. Since we all use oil and grease on our guns, thought I would pass on my recent experience.

I don't know how cold you mean, but any lube will have problems. If you're in weather well below freezing, many suggest not to use any lubricant at all.


Below NSFW.

[MarikinaMan]

I use many different kind of lubes for my home biz. Quite familiar with the stuff for various uses.

I just saw an interview of Mr. Gieselle himself extolling the virtues of plant and animal based lubricants. They work better, they are slicker, but they all go bad. Unless a very good stabilizer is used.

I personally use sport/hobby specific lubricants for any gear that I have skin contact with. I would never use ATF oil on gun that I handle. Some of that stuff you'll never know the effect until yer prostrate swells to the size of a cantaloupe at age 50.

That said, I am intrigued by non-petro organic based lubes. Gonna avoid Frog lube though based on reports here.

Thanks for sharing.

[meno377]

What's the upside to it?

It's a great protectant against rust. I had an issue on a mini 14 with surface rust. Applying mobil1 would dry out to quickly for me. I tried FL and haven't had the issue since. I am well aware that there are other products that work, but some tests show that FL does very well.

[Brutmor]

Anyone use Ballistol? I haven't seen it mentioned here.

[meno377]

Does motor oil have rust protection? Not a lot of rust inside engines, as they're sealed environments.

Also, I don't want motor oil on my hands.

Not long term. Again like I said before, there are other rust protectants out there. I am so far very pleased with FL.

[adamjay]

Castro 10/30 works better...

Is that a Cuban product?

[thegamettt]

I pulled out my froglubed pistols yesterday and shot them after a few months in the safe. They did feel quite gummy at first but functioned with no problems. it sweated a bunch while shooting.

[fritztkatt]

Anyone want to run a test with me? If everyone wants to cough up some ammo we can have a shoot out between similar weapons and lubes.

I'm willing to bet my glock, ar, and 1911 lubed up with marine grease will run just the same as clp, slip, frog lube, whatever you got.

Does anyone have a lube that actually stays on AR gas rings and doesn't get burnt off? The (walmart brand) marine grease I put on my guns stays put, obviously lubes well, and doesn't burn off with the exception of gas rings.

Even the locking lugs on my ar stay fresh looking after 200 rounds (grease is blue out of the tube), stays pretty blue. It doesn't creep and puddle on top of the buffer inside the safe, doesn't spray all over inside the slide of the glock or ar upper/lower... Haven't really shot my 1911 much (para isn't exactly quality), but no lube related issues.

Anyone is welcome to meet up with me at the next Pala carbine match and we can see what happens. I'll shoot idpa the weekend before (13th and 20th of feb iirc). I'm happy to actually do field tests, even if it's just the 150 rounds of an idpa match or 250 or so of the carbine shoot.

I think it would serve well to at least compare lubes in the short term, although I think anything will work without fail at such a low round count. I'd be more interested to see where the lube stayed, where it burnt off, discoloration, smell, that kind of stuff.

To the cold weather discussion: that's why the military specifies a different weapons lube for arctic warfare... it's just a thinner lube so the weapons don't seize up. I doubt they are capable of the same lube properties as the thicker "normal" versions. Iirc there are also hot weather lubes that are slightly thicker at room temperature.

AFAIK none of those are applicable between constant 32*f and 120*f (give or take).