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  • lowend65
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 512

    I walked my CCW Application into the SCC Sherriff's office today. I have to say the officers manning the desk were very helpful.

    Right now I'm reading the FAQ's and came across something that troubles me:

    When should I get a determination on my application? Isn’t there a 90 day deadline?

    Cal. Penal Code section 26205 states:

    “The licensing authority shall give written notice to the applicant indicating if the license under this article is approved or denied. The licensing authority shall give this notice within 90 days of the initial application for a new license or a license renewal, or 30 days after receipt of the applicant’s criminal background check from the Department of Justice, whichever is later. If the license is denied, the notice shall state which requirement was not satisfied.”

    (Emphasis added.)

    It is important to note that some licensing authorities employ a delaying tactic by not taking fingerprints (which initiates the CA DOJ background check process), therefore allowing them to “sit” on an application indefinitely due to the second deadline test in 26205. However, such delaying tactics are unlawful.

    Cal. Penal Code section 26190(a)(3) establishes that applications are to be made in person, and that the licensing authority has specific statutory duties with respect to the acceptance and processing of applications. (“The officer receiving the application and the fee shall transmit the fee, with the fingerprints if required, to the Department of Justice.” (Emphasis added.).)

    That same duty to collect fingerprints and the CA DOJ background check fee is found in section 26185(a)(1). (“The fingerprints of each applicant shall be taken and two copies on forms prescribed by the Department of Justice shall be forwarded to the department.” (Emphasis added.) Note that while the statutes refer to the old-style ink fingerprint cards, the CA DOJ has in practice mandated that their LiveScan service be used for this purpose.)
    Per the officer on site, all was was to do was turn in the paperwork. No fingerprints were taken, no fee was collected. I was basically told they would send the paperwork "upstairs" and the officer in charge would contact me.

    Mind you, they had me sign and date all aspects of the application while standing there.

    Do I have a bone to pick with the SCC Sheriff if I'm not contacted in 90 days?

    Statement from the SCC Sherriff website
    Applicants that seek a CCW permit under the self-defense standard set forth in Peruta will be processed in the order they are received should the decision of the Ninth Circuit become final. Once the decision becomes final, applicants will be contacted by the Sheriff’s CCW Unit with instructions on how to complete the process.
    Can they legally hold my permit application ?
    Those who believe absurdities will commit atrocities.

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    • scootle
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Oct 2010
      • 2702

      Originally posted by scootle
      I know for a fact that Santa Clara PD issues LTC directly to their own Reserve Officers, so they are the IA for citizens by mandate. However, at this time, the Chief of the SCPD (Sellers) is being mum about Peruta, presumably holding out until the verdict is "final." (Like pretty much the entire SFBA.)
      Just saw that Chief Sellers of SCPD is having a "Chat with the Chief" session next Wednesday evening. If any other Santa Clara City residents are able to attend, it might be an opportunity.



      Chat with the Chief
      March 19
      Date: 3/19/2014 6:00 PM - 7:00 PM
      Location: Washington Open Elementary School Cafeteria
      270 Washington Street
      Santa Clara, California 95050
      I have another engagement that evening, else I'd try to be there for sure! Would be good if we could get a straight answer though.

      Originally posted by lowend65
      Can they legally hold my permit application ?
      The way I interpret it (IANAL), if you wish to hold them to the 90-day decision timeline, they would process your application starting now against the OLD criteria where "good cause" does not include self-defense. I doubt you want that. They are currently under zero legal obligation to even acknowledge the Peruta decision exists, sadly.

      I'd imagine that people will pursue the 90-day timer as soon as Peruta becomes effective Law and the SCCSO is mandated to comply.
      SCC CCW *326 Days, $1051.29*
      Application: 2/27/2023 ($72.33)
      Original Interview: 12/21@1030|Actual: 4/13@0900
      'Informal" email Background complete: 9/19
      Email to schedule Psych: 10/27@1539 ($150)
      Psych Test: 11/3@0800|Psych Interview: 11/9@0900 (Dr.McKenzie)
      LiveScan: 11/9 (UPS Store $93+$25)|Livescan cleared: CA/FBI 11/9, Firearms 11/20
      LiveScan Email: 11/17@0842
      Training Email: 11/29@1007|Instructor: 1/10/2024 SaberTactics ($399+40)|Docs: 1/12
      Approval: 1/17@1346 ($264+$7.96)|Pickup: 1/19@1030

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      • SWAT226
        Member
        • Dec 2013
        • 486

        Has anyone got their LTC successfully?

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        • ColdDeadHands1
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 3391

          Hahahahaha!!!! Yeah right!


          "Let me guess... This isn't about the alcohol or tobacco?"

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          • tbombaci
            Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 187

            Originally posted by ColdDeadHands1
            Hahahahaha!!!! Yeah right!
            To be fair, he may have been referring to someone who has "donated" to Smith's campaign or a personal friend of hers.

            Just sayin...
            FSC CARDS - I am a DOJ Certified Instructor ** Renewal or new FSC. Don't wait in line at the gun store to take the test or renew, drop me a PM **

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            • uspastime
              Junior Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 16

              I've been following these events closely (as everyone has).
              I work in a high value business, transport,buy,sell, etc. I'll assume my 'good cause' will be at least considered.

              Now, I work in Santa Clara County but live in Santa Cruz County. My travels take me obviously, not only over Hwy 17 but around the state.
              Santa Cruz County I'm thinking is going to be just about as liberal as S.F. County so that worries me.

              Is it mandatory to apply in the Co. in which you LIVE only?

              Also, are there areas where 'character witness' letters from current reserve police and a Chief of Police in a neighboring city, could accompany the application? Will this help/hurt?
              "Amateurs talk hardware (guns/ammo). Professionals talk software (training/ mental preparedness).
              But just in case...
              SIG P226 9mm
              SIG P220 Combat .45
              SIG P239 9mm

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              • ColdDeadHands1
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 3391

                You must apply where you live, Santa Cruz County. Sit tight. If Peruta stands, you will likely get your CCW soon thereafter. If it is overturned, well, you may never get your CCW. At least until SCOTUS rules in our favor, which, well, you know...

                In the meantime, be proactive and go submit your application to Santa Cruz County Sheriff. Get in line with the rest of us anticipating good things to come.


                "Let me guess... This isn't about the alcohol or tobacco?"

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                • uspastime
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 16

                  It now appears Santa Cruz Co. Sheriff Phil Wowak will NOT seek re-election (ending in Dec). He's endorsing Dep. Chief Jim Hart. I'm not sure what his position is and/or who else will be running to replace Wowak.

                  So yes, I'll just sit tight and keep an eye on this.
                  I'm not sure if I file an app, if it'll sit on his desk as his lame duck position will try to pass it to the 'next guy'.
                  "Amateurs talk hardware (guns/ammo). Professionals talk software (training/ mental preparedness).
                  But just in case...
                  SIG P226 9mm
                  SIG P220 Combat .45
                  SIG P239 9mm

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                  • Flopper
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 1280

                    Originally posted by uspastime
                    It now appears Santa Cruz Co. Sheriff Phil Wowak will NOT seek re-election (ending in Dec). He's endorsing Dep. Chief Jim Hart. I'm not sure what his position is and/or who else will be running to replace Wowak.

                    So yes, I'll just sit tight and keep an eye on this.
                    I'm not sure if I file an app, if it'll sit on his desk as his lame duck position will try to pass it to the 'next guy'.
                    As Colddeadhands already mentioned, it makes a LOT of sense to apply right now even if it doesn't get processed immediately, simply because you will basically be getting in line for when/if they start processing apps.

                    Long story short--realize this is very different than even a just a few short months ago, when the advice was basically, "apply if you want, but don't expect much."

                    The title of the thread had "apply now" added to it recently for a very good reason.

                    PS-don't bother applying to Santa Clara County unless you reside here, since a work location LTC is only valid for 90 days IIRC.
                    Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound. -- L. Neil Smith

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                    • uspastime
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 16

                      Alright...here I go, I guess I'll be a test case for ultra liberal Santa Cruz County. I wonder if it'll help if I print my app on hemp paper.
                      "Amateurs talk hardware (guns/ammo). Professionals talk software (training/ mental preparedness).
                      But just in case...
                      SIG P226 9mm
                      SIG P220 Combat .45
                      SIG P239 9mm

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                      • lowend65
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 512

                        lots of people have applied in the last month in Santa Cruz
                        Those who believe absurdities will commit atrocities.

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                        • uspastime
                          Junior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 16

                          I'm sure plenty of people have, thanks, I just haven't seen much about them.
                          "Amateurs talk hardware (guns/ammo). Professionals talk software (training/ mental preparedness).
                          But just in case...
                          SIG P226 9mm
                          SIG P220 Combat .45
                          SIG P239 9mm

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                          • NorCal MedTac
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 599

                            We had a few in our class last Sunday already through the interview and just needing the training for Santa Cruz.
                            http://www.norcalmedtac.com
                            Providing CPR and First Aid training, to small groups and individuals; NRA classes; Defensive Medicine, Defensive Pistol, Defensive Carbine, and Defensive Shotgun classes.


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                            • scootle
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 2702

                              Originally posted by uspastime
                              Alright...here I go, I guess I'll be a test case for ultra liberal Santa Cruz County. I wonder if it'll help if I print my app on hemp paper.
                              I thought that Wowak had declared shall-issue for Santa Cruz... or was that mis-interpreted?

                              SCC CCW *326 Days, $1051.29*
                              Application: 2/27/2023 ($72.33)
                              Original Interview: 12/21@1030|Actual: 4/13@0900
                              'Informal" email Background complete: 9/19
                              Email to schedule Psych: 10/27@1539 ($150)
                              Psych Test: 11/3@0800|Psych Interview: 11/9@0900 (Dr.McKenzie)
                              LiveScan: 11/9 (UPS Store $93+$25)|Livescan cleared: CA/FBI 11/9, Firearms 11/20
                              LiveScan Email: 11/17@0842
                              Training Email: 11/29@1007|Instructor: 1/10/2024 SaberTactics ($399+40)|Docs: 1/12
                              Approval: 1/17@1346 ($264+$7.96)|Pickup: 1/19@1030

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                              • manywelps
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 503

                                out of curiosity, has anyone gotten an appointment date?

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