San Bernardino

[Lady Ruger]

My original permit expired on Aug 1st, 2023. Received my blue card in late July, that card expired on Dec 1st, so I made it by two weeks. I did my renewal in June.

LadyRuger, Oh how I remember our many years of paper with no picture. What's changed is paper permits are pretty much a thing of the past.

There are still a few IA's that issue paper only.

[BigMac90660]

So,,, any new permits, or just renewals since the computer hack???

[FJ4X420]

So renewals in 2024 will be stuck with SB-2 training requirements as well I take it?

[Lady Ruger]

So renewals in 2024 will be stuck with SB-2 training requirements as well I take it?

Have you read SB-2? What if any are the changes to renewals that you saw?

[FJ4X420]

Have you read SB-2? What if any are the changes to renewals that you saw?

It's a hard read with all the BS contained in it. As far as training what I remember is they want to double hrs required for not only inital but also renewals. Also instructors will need to be certified by CA DOJ. Most of my CCW classes were given by NRA certified instructors that are not included on the list.

[Lady Ruger]

It's a hard read with all the BS contained in it. As far as training what I remember is they want to double hrs required for not only inital but also renewals. Also instructors will need to be certified by CA DOJ. Most of my CCW classes were given by NRA certified instructors that are not included on the list.

It isn't that hard to read.

[Jeepergeo]

It's a hard read with all the BS contained in it. As far as training what I remember is they want to double hrs required for not only inital but also renewals. Also instructors will need to be certified by CA DOJ. Most of my CCW classes were given by NRA certified instructors that are not included on the list.

The recent DOJ interpretation is that NRA Certification won't be sufficient for an instructor. Instructors will need to have a narrow range of certifications, mostly law enforcement types. This means there well be few classes available which means it will be hard to get into a class and the classes will be very expensive....just what Newsom and Bonta want....

From the NRA-ILA

On Friday, the California Department of Justice released emergency regulations pertaining to the State's overhaul of the CCW program as prescribed in Senate Bill 2, signed earlier this year and set to go into effect on January 1st, 2024. Most notably, the regulations remove NRA Certified Instructors as eligible to teach qualifying concealed carry classes in the state moving forward. This is a clear move by DOJ and the state to limit the training courses available to those wishing to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in the state. NRA is a leader in firearms training and NRA certified firearms instructors have long been recognized as an acceptable training certification as prescribed in Cal Pen Code 31635. However, DOJ has taken the language in SB 2 that allows them to either accept instructors as called for in the penal code or by "'regulation" and interpreted it in such as fashion that it somehow gives them unilateral authority to narrow the available options below what is called for in statute. They have done this by limiting certification for CCW instructors to the following:

(1) Bureau of Security and Investigative Services, Department of Consumer Affairs, State of California-Firearm Training Instructor;

(2) Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST), State of California Firearms Instructor or Rangemaster; or

(3) Authorization from a State of California accredited school to teach a firearm training course.

The proposed regulations are bound to have a detrimental impact on law-abiding citizens by limiting available training options and potentially driving up the cost of training. Because of the "emergency" nature of the regulations, those wishing to comment only have 5 working business days to submit comments. Those desiring to submit comments must do so by December 15th.

[Quiet]

My current renewal journey...

My permit expires on 10-15-2023.
08-04-23 = watched the three CCW renewal videos using the links from the SBSD CCW website and completed the CCW Policy Renewal Attestation 2023 form.
08-08-23 = completed the CCW renewal training at the Route 66 Shooting Sports Park.
08-09-23 = turned in my CCW renewal packet at the SBSD CCW unit and advised them of two changes (job title change and drop/add new handgun). they took my picture and gave me the 120 day extension card. they advised that I can not carry my new handgun, until I receive my new CCW permit. they also advised that I will receive a phone call informing me when I can come and pick up my new CCW permit.

Update:

12-15-23 = received a phone call from a private number (no displayed numbers), which went to voice mail due to me being in a business meeting. Voice mail was from the SBSD CCW unit and instructed me to email the CCW unit with my info, in order to schedule a date/time to pick up my new CCW permit. I sent off an email with the requested info and received an email response informing me that I will receive another phone call on 12-18-23 for set up scheduling.
12-18-23 = received another phone call from a private number (no displayed numbers) and the deputy advised me that the soonest I can schedule to pick up my new CCW permit is 01-03-23. So, I scheduled a time on 01-03-23 to pick up my new CCW permit. I can still carry before picking up my new CCW permit, because the pick up date is covered within the 120 day extension card.

[Lady Ruger]

Update:

01-03-23

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[Notpc]

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That is why I always pre-date a few checks at the beginning of the new year.

[Quiet]

Update:

12-15-23 = received a phone call from a private number (no displayed numbers), which went to voice mail due to me being in a business meeting. Voice mail was from the SBSD CCW unit and instructed me to email the CCW unit with my info, in order to schedule a date/time to pick up my new CCW permit. I sent off an email with the requested info and received an email response informing me that I will receive another phone call on 12-18-23 for set up scheduling.
12-18-23 = received another phone call from a private number (no displayed numbers) and the deputy advised me that the soonest I can schedule to pick up my new CCW permit is 01-03-24. So, I scheduled a time on 01-03-24 to pick up my new CCW permit. I can still carry before picking up my new CCW permit, because the pick up date is covered within the 120 day extension card.

Update #2.

12-19-23 = received another phone call and the deputy advised that an unforeseen issue has come up that will cause a schedule conflict on 01-03-24, so I need to schedule another day for pick up. New pickup day is now 01-04-24.

[superhondaz50]

AVGC cancelled my CCW requal for 1/19..I emailed them to inquire even though I already knew the answer. Here is their response.

Me:

Hi,

I was refunded for my training course and was just wondering the reason? Does it have to do with the new SB2 regulations on who is allowed to train?

Thanks, superhondaz50


AVGC Club:

Sorry, I thought Eventbrite would give me a place to explain to ticket holders what?s happening.
You?re correct; it has to do with AVGC and the Sheriff?s Department trying to comply with the new training requirements, which the State can?t elaborate on right now.
Keep an eye on our website for updates.

I guess they were waiting to see how things went in court today, but figured I'd post this just in case some of you get cancelled and are wondering. Also went on the SBSD website and they have a new flyer saying they will contact you for your 8hr renewal training/live fire in Devore. I'm sure that will be a backlogged mess, feel bad for those sheriff's and employees (and all of us) having to deal with this.

[Lady Ruger]

Also went on the SBSD website and they have a new flyer saying they will contact you for your 8hr renewal training/live fire in Devore. I'm sure that will be a backlogged mess, feel bad for those sheriff's and employees (and all of us) having to deal with this.

I am not seeing a new flyer. The information about the 8 hour class is in the instructions for new applications.

[Lady Ruger]

SB 2 Blocked

Anew California law that would have banned people from carrying firearms in most public spaces was temporarily blocked by a federal judge Wednesday just over a week before the law was set to take effect.

U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney issued a preliminary injunction blocking the law and wrote in his decision that the law?s ?coverage is sweeping, repugnant to the Second Amendment, and openly defiant of the Supreme Court.? The law was signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in September as part of California Democrats' efforts to implement gun restrictions following numerous mass shootings.

It would have prohibited people from carrying firearms in 26 places, including public parks, public demonstrations and gatherings, amusement parks, churches, banks, zoos, and ?any other privately owned commercial establishment that is open to the public," according to the bill. The law was scheduled to go into effect Jan. 1.

[superhondaz50]

I am not seeing a new flyer. The information about the 8 hour class is in the instructions for new applications.

Maybe it's not new, I haven't been on their site in two years. Under range qualification, there is a link for the flyer an it's I marked new. If that's not new then no idea what they will be doing for training and range quality to satisfy the new regs.