Riverside

[ambiguous216]

Congrats Catalyst81!!!

[God Bless America]

Here is the difference: When people generally ask if Riverside accepts "self defense" they literally mean if they put the words in the box for good cause if that is acceptable. The answer is NO. That will not fly.

However, that doesn't mean your good cause can't be self-defense based. For example:

That good cause has a high likelihood of being approved. It is still a "self defense" based good cause, it's just explained.

The way I see it is you can have a lot of good cause categories: target for robbery because of what you have, target of violence because of who you are, target of violence because of where you work, target of violence because of activities you're involved with, target of opportunity due to location.

Being targeted because of what you have: valuables, cash, equipment, access to Rx drugs, etc. aren't strictly self-defense related. They're after your things, not you specifically. Other categories like being targeted for your job or activities that you do, (nurse, LEO, firefighter) are more closely tied to self-defense.

So some self-defense based good causes will obviously pass. Almost everything passes! But you've got to explain it in your GC so that the deputies understand the danger and how a firearm will help.

Those 2 things are all you need in your GC: 1) What danger are you trying to avoid. 2) How will having a firearm help you avoid that danger. That's it. You don't need anything more or less than that. You don't need to spend 2 paragraphs talking about what a great guy/gal you are and all of your values. Just explain your need and how your permit will help. Keep it simple and you'll be approved.

That makes no sense. "Good cause" is a term of art with a particular meaning in this context, which is the DOJ standard application form: "good cause for the issuance of the license." "Self defense" is one possible reason for "good cause."

So self defense can be a reason for good cause, but to state that there can be good causes for self defense is either an error, or misunderstanding, and confusing in either case.

[lawaia]

That makes no sense. "Good cause" is a term of art with a particular meaning in this context, which is the DOJ standard application form: "good cause for the issuance of the license." "Self defense" is one possible reason for "good cause."

So self defense can be a reason for good cause, but to state that there can be good causes for self defense is either an error, or misunderstanding, and confusing in either case.

It's not that complicated. Riverside wants you to be specific about the reasons you need to carry a weapon as a means of self defense. If you write "self defense" as your sole good cause, you will be denied the permit.

[God Bless America]

Thanks, I understand that, but that's not my point.

[Sleighter]

That makes no sense. "Good cause" is a term of art with a particular meaning in this context, which is the DOJ standard application form: "good cause for the issuance of the license." "Self defense" is one possible reason for "good cause."

So self defense can be a reason for good cause, but to state that there can be good causes for self defense is either an error, or misunderstanding, and confusing in either case.

I'm sorry that you're confused. I can assure you that I understand that "self-defense" is used frequently as a term of art. However, I'm not sure how I've ever been anything but clear on this topic assuming someone took the few minutes needed to read even 1 month back in this thread. Here are some examples I have bolded and highlighted:

is Riverside accepting "self defense" as a GC?

No. You need to expand on your good cause. But the threshold for acceptable good cause is very low.

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Is this official? How did you arrive at that conclusion? I ask politely and sincerely

Pretty much official. The sheriff himself has said this is the case. The application(s) say this. The guys at the CCW office say this. Those who have applied with just SD have been denied.

does anyone know if Self Defense is being accepted as a good cause?

It is not. You need to articulate a good cause that puts you at risk that can be mitigated by a CCW. However, you can see by this thread and everyone being approved that it's attainable.

Almost every acceptable good cause centers around self-defense. Riverside requires that you simply explain the scenarios that you are frequently in where being armed would increase your self-defense.

So yes, Riverside accepts good causes centering around self defense. But no, they don't accept the 2 word answer: self defense.

Here is the difference: When people generally ask if Riverside accepts "self defense" they literally mean if they put the words "self defense" in the box for good cause if that is acceptable. The answer is NO. That will not fly.

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You were even a part of this discussion a month ago!!! So as you can see, I've said in short, concise sentences that NO, "SELF DEFENSE" IS NOT ACCEPTED AS GOOD CAUSE IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY on not 1, but 4 different occasions in the past month. That means that on average I'm weekly telling someone that NO, "SELF DEFENSE" IS NOT ACCEPTED AS GOOD CAUSE IN RIVERSIDE COUNTY.

I'm sorry if my desire to expound beyond your simple, and already answered question, for the sake of others confused you. My desire was simply to provide some additional examples of good causes that have been accepted in the past, so that people reading can see how a desire for self-defense can apply to a variety of situations and can be explained in a simple format. At this point I hope that your questions have been answered and that I've been clear on the topic of Riverside accepting "self-defense".

[this_copy]

Picked up today.

Qualified 4/21/15
Interview 5/13/15
Livescan 5/18/15
Approved 9/9/15

[lawaia]

Picked up today.

Qualified 4/21/15
Interview 5/13/15
Livescan 5/18/15
Approved 9/9/15

Congrats!

[Firefox70066]

I understand that you understand. Perhaps that was MY point. I knew you were being a facetious jerk to the one guy that's making huge efforts to HELP people. Since you understood, you shouldn't make semantic nit-picking posts to prove your intelligence above all others. Have a lovely evening.

I second that!!!!!

[this_copy]

Congrats!

Thank you.

[ambiguous216]

A few questions for you GBA:

1) Are you from Riverside County?

2) Have you applied for a CCW in Riverside County?

3) Did you get approved / denied?

4) If you applied was your GC self defense?


Sleighter has been nothing except help here adding to the cause. Sounds like you are bitter at the Riverside county's rules and regulations. Well I got news for you. Most of us are too but that doesn't stop us from applying and getting approved. Cheers mate!

That makes no sense. "Good cause" is a term of art with a particular meaning in this context, which is the DOJ standard application form: "good cause for the issuance of the license." "Self defense" is one possible reason for "good cause."

So self defense can be a reason for good cause, but to state that there can be good causes for self defense is either an error, or misunderstanding, and confusing in either case.

[ambiguous216]

Congrats!!!

Picked up today.

Qualified 4/21/15
Interview 5/13/15
Livescan 5/18/15
Approved 9/9/15

[God Bless America]

I understand that you understand. Perhaps that was MY point. I knew you were being a facetious jerk to the one guy that's making huge efforts to HELP people. Since you understood, you shouldn't make semantic nit-picking posts to prove your intelligence above all others. Have a lovely
evening.

no, not being a facetious jerk, did you not see the smileys?

I thought he made a simple error, which might have confused some people, so I politely mentioned it. I still think he made an error. there are no 'good causes for self defense for good cause.' that is confusing.

self defense as a good caused seems to be the point here in Riverside County. it is important to keep it straight, which Sleighter has done so far. so he slipped up, as we all do, and I offered him an assist.

[this_copy]

Congrats!!!

Thank you.

[God Bless America]

A few questions for you GBA:

1) Are you from Riverside County?

2) Have you applied for a CCW in Riverside County?

3) Did you get approved / denied?

4) If you applied was your GC self defense?


Sleighter has been nothing except help here adding to the cause. Sounds like you are bitter at the Riverside county's rules and regulations. Well I got news for you. Most of us are too but that doesn't stop us from applying and getting approved. Cheers mate!

1) yes
2) yes
3) no
4) part of it

I am not bitter in the least. I have nothing to be bitter about. yes Sleighter has been helpful, who said he has not? in the spirit of his being helpful, why would he want to confuse somebody? he would not. so I politely and humorously brought an error to his attention. there is no 'good cause for self defense.' the non-confusing and correct version is 'self defense' as a possible reason for good cause.

or maybe nobody else cares about the mixup. if not, carry on.

[God Bless America]

No, I don't see any smileys. And, sorry, but you seem to be the only one confused. Although, I doubt you really are.

posts 1304 and 1306 have the emoticons in question.

and no, I am not confused.