Los Angeles

[pacrat]

This is flat-out wrong. Anyone who has a strong level of good cause, which includes MANY more things that documented death threats or VIP status, should apply.

Every county in California except SF issues. The only "dark red" counties on the map are SF, Marin, Santa Cruz and Santa Barbara, and within those, only SF is truly no-issue, and should be in a category by itself. LA's issuance has changed recently, as we can see by the recent statements from the Sheriff, the recent CalGunners who got approved, and the recent updates on the LA CCW web page.

As for Marin, Santa Cruz and Santa Barbara, even in those counties there are cities which issue and the counties do issue to a variety of people for a variety of reasons, and LA is clearly more issuance-friendly than those counties.

These baseless negative comments are just that - baseless.

Ok, anyone who has weak good cause, or no good cause, should not apply. Personal protection will NOT work. "I go hiking in remote areas sometimes" probably will NOT work. If you have something stronger than those, it MIGHT work and you should man up (ladies included of course), fill in the application, and send it in with your $10. You have nothing to lose from this beyond some time, which you're already losing by whining on this forum, and $10, which is just $10.

Stop whining and start filling in your application. All the people on this thread saying "they don't issue", have you submitted an application this year? If not, then honestly... you have no business posting negative comments. You want to post negative? Then apply first, appeal if denied, and see how the process goes and then you have some basis for it. Until then, can it.

My other suggestion is, work on not just your GC but also your GMC. Develop a strong background of evidence showing all the character qualities they are looking for: level headed, mature, avoids conflict, reads situations well, good judgement, good connections with your community. Everyone talks about GC but there should be more emphasis on the deeper aspects of GMC.

You should really change your handle to "CCWKaren". Because you certainly trigger easily. Then go on long winded rants berating members that don't agree with you.

Originally Posted by pacrat View Post
Actually he said the CCW PROCESS is getting easier, due to increased staffing.

Which I take to mean quicker for approved people. NOT easier FOR APPROVAL.

Is not wrong. I factually corrected a misquote of what he actually said.

Watch the damn vid Karen.

He mentioned that CCW approval PROCESS is getting easier,

I advise you to read before you rant.

[Paladin]

Just some closing thoughts for today.

Yeah, recent applicants are getting backed up. But they all felt staff and LEOs were friendly and helpful and not jerking them around. All encouraged others to spend $10 and get a GC decision, especially if you have Dark Red or Light Red GC (see post #31 in my CCW App Advice pinned at top). Several had applied in the past with previous sheriffs and been denied, but now have LASD CCWs, so things have really changed.

The question now is whether LASD will issue for Yellow GC. That’s essentially the same risks as Light Red but when faced by an employee rather than a business owner or professional. (See my CCW Application Advice referenced above.) If you qualify under Yellow I suggest and encourage you to spend $10 and apply and let the rest of us (or at least PM me), with how it goes.

The more Good Guys (and gals) with guns, the safer we all will be.

Upon further reflection there’s really no reason for Light Green applicants (recreational risks: regularly hiking in isolated areas, transporting multiple guns & ammo to and from ranges) and Dark Green applicants (daily/routine risks: filling up gas tank in bad parts of town, withdrawing cash at ATM late at night), not to apply with LASD and at least try to get a CCW. A GC denial does not hurt your future applications and other than not accepting mere “self defense” for GC, we do not know how far AV has liberalized GC. Applying and getting a GC decision only costs $10, so go for it and let us know how it goes. Again, you can share your experience through me if you prefer to stay anonymous.

ETA: for more details on what qualifies under what colors, see post #31 in my CCW Application Advice thread at: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924

ETA2: if you get denied you can just try again if/when AV liberalizes GC more, probably after 2021 July 01 when “Reimagine Policing/LA” (Measure J) budget cuts kick in.

[dearjohn013]

AV is live right now and gave an update on CCW.

Interesting numbers. https://fb.watch/27Gw9WqKx_/

Watch from 12:38

Uh. LASD will not issue ccw to regular people?

[82SC]

CCW numbers Quoted from AVN

November
145 applications
Denied 32
Approved 53
Pending 84 (Numbers don't add up. maybe some pending are from previous months)


Since July
911 Applications
146 Approved
1 suspension
rest are pending

Since the "beginning" ~238 approved
(not sure if he ment since his promise to increase x400% or since July)

Spread of applicants July to Present
(But I think he ment the spread for Nov as they add up to 142)
75 Public
12 Custody Staff
7 Professional
32 Legal
16 outside agencies


911/10 million residents means
0.0000911% of residents have applied...

[Paladin]

Thanks for the posts and link, 82SC.

Best to remember the first 2 or 3 months after his June 15th announcement the process was still being put together.

I heard recently from someone who recently was told to get training (meaning they passed GC and GMC), and they were so positively impressed by the process to suggest LA should now be Yellow on the CA CCW GC map. They also suggested that if people focus on both aspects of both GC and GMC (ETA2: see post 33 of my CCW App Advice thread pinned at top of this forum), everyone should spend $10 and apply.

ETA: look at post #1601 above, the LASD’s CCW process is still evolving.

[dearjohn013]

Since AV mentioned that they don't issue CCW to the regular people, it'll be helpful to define who is considered "regular people."

Watch from 12:38

https://fb.watch/27Gw9WqKx_/

I know two people who were denied recently for insufficient evidence/supporting documents for their good cause, so if you don't have one don't waste your money.

Generally, if your fears/reasons in your GC statement are avoidable, they will not issue CCW.

Here are some GC that didn't work:

Applicant 1: General fear for life due to an increase in violent protests, crime rate, and police budget cuts.

Applicant 2: Unsupported/undocumented threats from an unknown suspect, checking on the rental properties late at night, and fear of getting robbed while depositing money at night.

[Paladin]

Since AV mentioned that they don't issue CCW to the regular people, it'll be helpful to define who is considered "regular people."

Watch from 12:38

https://fb.watch/27Gw9WqKx_/

I know two people who were denied recently for insufficient evidence/supporting documents for their good cause, so if you don't have one don't waste your money.

Generally, if your fears/reasons in your GC statement are avoidable, they will not issue CCW.

Here are some GC that didn't work:

Applicant 1: General fear for life due to an increase in violent protests, crime rate, and police budget cuts.

Applicant 2: Unsupported/undocumented threats from an unknown suspect, checking on the rental properties late at night, and fear of getting robbed while depositing money at night.

Applicant 1 has Dark Green GC: fears arising from daily routine related risks.

Applicant 2 may have Light Red GC (if they’re the owner of the properties or if they’re the owner of the property management company), or Yellow GC (if they’re an employee of the property management company).

They should appeal and/or try applying again after the Measure J cuts kick in July 01.

[82SC]

I don't think AVN was saying that they don't issue to regular people.

I think he just thought the phrase regular people was peculiar and the CCW aren't just given out to all citizens. Like who is an irregular person then...?

He clearly stated 75 applicants came from the public. (Month of Nov)


I don't want to cause confusion with Paladin's tally but one of the 5 I know and he got his without documented threats. But gave the deputy many examples of incidents.

I think each applicant is different and basically the deputies are looking over each individual and saying would I be okay with this man or woman having a handgun in the same restaurant I might be eating with my family while off duty. And do they have a valid reason for having one.

So just a carbon copy of the GC that worked for one isn't going to work for another.


Also I think we need to put more weight on what the actual CCW carriers are saying rather than what we've all heard 2nd or 3rd hand. Or our personal assumptions.

Paladin has been great in cutting and pasting the information they have provided for him. And hopefully in the future when CCW in LA isn't as much of a unicorn the license holders can come out and be more open about things.

I have heard directly similar things mentioned in post #1605 and #1607

Caliber changes are allowed for your carry gun but you can only carry it in the configuration you qualified it in. Can't qualify with 9 and carry it in 40. I don't know if you can qualify in 9 AND 40, use up 2 spots on the license and then carry it in either config.

And direct from deputy when handing over the license was the instructions that if the licensee is actively carrying and has an encounter with LEO (traffic stop or worse) that they need to let the LEO know and let the LASD CCW dept know about the encounter. If the licensee is not actively carrying then there is no obligation. Whether there is some law or penal code stating otherwise is another discussion but the party I know said that was a direct quote and they have no qualms following the LASD policy rather then take a risk with their CCW license.

This individual also stated how smooth and polite the experience was. Some logistical delays and bumps but no real feeling of negativity or actions inhibiting or blocking progression of the application or progress.

This person also showed me his application paperwork and it was organized, neat, proof-read, and professional looking. So I think that goes a long way too to show the deputy that you are responsible and take this process seriously.

Take it for what its worth. One other applicant I know is still in the post interview waiting stage.

[Paladin]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9015871/California-Gov-Gavin-Newsom-announces-stay-home-order-regions-ICU-capacity-falls-15.html

[CCWFacts]

everyone should spend $10 and apply.

[Stevo818]

[CCWFacts]

Stevo, that's great you're doing this.

The LAPD process is a whole separate thing from LASD. I think you should contact LAPD and ask them how to submit it. I quickly skimmed their policy document and it said it should be submitted in person, but doesn't say where, and I doubt they really want you to come in for that right now. The only contact information there is a phone number, which you should call and ask for guidance:

Please contact the Gang and Narcotics Division, GunUnit at (213) 486-5360 to schedule your appointment.

I don't have any better advice on LAPD. Once you're past that, then it's on to LASD and that's a whole separate process.

[Stevo818]

Stevo, that's great you're doing this.

The LAPD process is a whole separate thing from LASD. I think you should contact LAPD and ask them how to submit it. I quickly skimmed their policy document and it said it should be submitted in person, but doesn't say where, and I doubt they really want you to come in for that right now. The only contact information there is a phone number, which you should call and ask for guidance:



I don't have any better advice on LAPD. Once you're past that, then it's on to LASD and that's a whole separate process.

[Akg668]

Yes, call the LAPD number the previous post listed and they will schedule you an appointment. Keep a copy of the application as that will be the same application you need to submit to LASD after you receive the denial letter. LAPD turn around is kind of lengthy so definitely call and schedule that appointment asap!

[Stevo818]

Yes, call the LAPD number the previous post listed and they will schedule you an appointment. Keep a copy of the application as that will be the same application you need to submit to LASD after you receive the denial letter. LAPD turn around is kind of lengthy so definitely call and schedule that appointment asap!