San Diego CCW

[MajorCaliber]

Yeah crossing my fingers... my permit expires 10/30 and I've already taken the renewal training, so hopefully that fast passes it.

The way they explained it to me was that your spot in the renewal queue was determined by when your renewal application was filed, so the timing of your training would not make a difference. It was unclear if the renewal queue has any kind of priority over new applications, although it would make sense if it did.

While Covid has slowed down the pickup process, there is a nevertheless an obvious and fundamental problem that I think they have yet to understand and grapple with: As the number of outstanding permits grows, if they do not continually improve their throughput capacity, renewals will eventually consume all available processing capacity until either no new permits can be issued, or all permits expire for increasing periods before they are renewed. It's simple math.

[tsl1111]

Just curious. What wet signature was required for your renewal and do you mean a scan of a signature done with a pen or do you mean they require the actual physical paper you touched with a pen? I don't think my renewal required any submission of anything physical until the actual pick up appointment.

You are correct, the online application did not require the wet signature copy to upload, but I had no cert at all to upload. The issue was the training company I qualified with did not have the certs available the day I qualified. They told me San Diego required the wet signature on the day you have your appointment, I qualified on a Saturday and they would be mailing the certificate to me on Monday. The cert did not end up being mailed until a week and a half later and then took three additional days to arrive putting me 2 weeks behind.


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[Nachoman]

Don't hold your breath...

Yeah crossing my fingers... my permit expires 10/30 and I've already taken the renewal training, so hopefully that fast passes it.

[LoadedM333]

So, this afternoon, I got a call from the SDSDO to schedule my appointment. They offered 24 September! I mentioned I had heard thing were backed up to October, and she said the WERE back up, but they made some changes and moved everybody up. I did not ask what changes or other details.

I also asked if scheduling an appointment suggested my application for renewal was approved. She said, No, all it means is that the decision will be made before the 24th. To me, that is good and bad, but I like that they schedule the appointment ASAP and then hope things work out.

So, for me, 2 weeks with no CCW. THAT will not be too bad to quarantine inside for...

Katie

Edited to add: Permittium still shows the application is awaiting being assigned to a processor...

That's not too bad; looks like the caught up on the backlog.

On approval, in my case, I got an email and text two days prior to my appointment indicated that I was approved.

On the email it stated to contact License Division to arrange a pick-up appointment but when I called the number, the clerk stated it was the same day of my original appointment.

I've not heard of anyone not getting renewed. Did anything change from two years ago? I would think the same good cause would be fine.

I used the same GC for my renewal.

[MajorCaliber]

Just curious. What wet signature was required for your renewal and do you mean a scan of a signature done with a pen or do you mean they require the actual physical paper you touched with a pen? I don't think my renewal required any submission of anything physical until the actual pick up appointment.

[tsl1111]

[CessnaDriver]

I've not heard of anyone not getting renewed. Did anything change from two years ago? I would think the same good cause would be fine.

[Kate]

My CCW expires this Wednesday. I applied for the renewal mid-July, and uploaded all documentation besides the requalification cert, at that time. I did the requalification 29 days before expiration, and uploaded that doc on the same day. And, as of 2 minutes ago, Permitium still says my application will be assigned to a processor "shortly." So, on Thursday, if I leave the house, it will be without a handgun.

And, this makes me much sadder than I thought I would be. It has surprised me how much my level of fear has gone down being out and about. And, I am pretty sure the fear of those bad things happening again will keep me inside a lot more.

I am thinking now that I need more "edged weapons" training, since knives are a concealed weapon that one does not yet need a permit for. But I sure hate the idea of those people being close enough to me that a knife might work. Heck, even mace distances are probably too close...

I hate this...

So, this afternoon, I got a call from the SDSDO to schedule my appointment. They offered 24 September! I mentioned I had heard thing were backed up to October, and she said the WERE back up, but they made some changes and moved everybody up. I did not ask what changes or other details.

I also asked if scheduling an appointment suggested my application for renewal was approved. She said, No, all it means is that the decision will be made before the 24th. To me, that is good and bad, but I like that they schedule the appointment ASAP and then hope things work out.

So, for me, 2 weeks with no CCW. THAT will not be too bad to quarantine inside for...

Katie

Edited to add: Permittium still shows the application is awaiting being assigned to a processor...

[Kate]

VERY good advice on the OC spray. Thank you very much...

Katie

[Kate]

Submitted my renewal yesterday with full documentation and the training certificate. I guess we'll see how long it takes to get a call for an appointment.

Don't hold your breath...

[Nachoman]

Submitted my renewal yesterday with full documentation and the training certificate. I guess we'll see how long it takes to get a call for an appointment.

[CessnaDriver]

I have superior knife fighting skills....

Run!

Agreed on the spray. Nothing wrong with having a blade for last resort.

I'm still a couple weeks out from expiration, submitted two months ahead of time, but seems a lot of us will be going through limbo of unknown lengths.

[luv2shoot]

I am thinking now that I need more "edged weapons" training, since knives are a concealed weapon that one does not yet need a permit for. But I sure hate the idea of those people being close enough to me that a knife might work. Heck, even mace distances are probably too close...

I hate this...

While there are extremely effective knife fighters out there, in my opinion it takes a lot of training to get good enough to be confident. Sure, if you’ve had years of martial arts training including edged weapons you’re probably decently effective but if not it takes a while to get there. Then, what if you’re faced with someone who also has knife fighting skills?

For the regular person, a good OC spray (not mace) would be my second choice after a firearm. A good spray can reach 12-15 feet versus contact and while it can be fought through if you’re trained, it's difficult to continue an effective attack once sprayed. Even better there’s almost no chance of permanent injury so less liability and much lower threshold of use. A knife would still be a deadly weapon, OC would not. The best part is anyone can do it with almost no training.

Sabre Red or First Defense are good brands and if you get the inert training unit too, it’ll help you understand range, spray pattern, etc. for the same real unit. I was actually quite impressed how far the 2.5 oz canisters sprayed and would feel quite comfortable with one as a secondary weapon.

[L84CABO]

If one doesn't have access to a scanner, did anyone submit pictures instead of scanned copies of their drivers license and training certificate? My scanner is at work, which is closed due to Covid.

Download "Genius Scan" on your phone. It's free and works great!

[MajorCaliber]

Thanks for the recommendation, Major!

Do you have any recommendations on good, or even sort of good, training options?

I have actually taken the Front Sight edged weapons course several years back. They don't offer it often, and I ended up really sore and bruised at the end, but it did give me an idea about how it works. And, it was that class that convinced me I could not let an attacker EVER get that close to me.

But perhaps with more consistent training, it might be enough...

And, Thank you!

Katie

I don't have any local training options to suggest unfortunately. Any training I have, I got many years ago in martial arts classes and I would describe it as unorthodox but brutally effective. So much depends on what type of assailant you face. Your knife against their gun: just a hair above useless. Your knife against their knife: you need to start with the mindset that even the winner goes to the hospital. Your knife against a larger, more powerful, but unarmed assailant: you have an excellent chance if you can get the knife out and ready before contact occurs.