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  • #76
    TrappedinCalifornia
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2018
    • 10006

    Originally posted by dayz2men
    The problem is 4,000 spiders crawling the posts on this forum, slowing the webserver the **** down for everyone. It's obvious given it says 151 members online and 4027 guests online. What's not obvious is why whoever controls this site doesn't notice this; my guess is inexperience as a server admin. It ain't an easy job, that's for sure, but it's going to take more than a RAM upgrade to handle all those persistent connections.

    The worst thing Calguns ever did was try and update the forums/getting rid of karma ratings. And dropping it for vbulletin update of all things is hardly an upgrade - this software is 25 years old, after all. That means 25 years for web-scrapers to learn how to comb through the site without having connection booted.

    The second worse thing is this - half the time I try and visit I simply cannot use the site due to the congestion.

    It's killed the brand. It's unfortunate, but nobody's willing to hire outside help.

    And that means the slow decay for this once-proud pony.
    You have a point, but you're wrong regarding a number of things.

    First, Kestryll has been running this site for about 20 years. Thus, he's not 'inexperienced.'

    Second, the update was not done by choice. The host went out-of-business and the new host demanded an update to the software. We've been warned, for years, that any update would cause the types of problems we've been seeing. Why hadn't the software been updated? Because iTrader only worked with the iteration of software we were using and Kestryll maintained it to mollify a notable portion of the membership who relied on it.

    Third, he initially tried an update, found not enough RAM, added more RAM, and then found it didn't fix the 'congestion' problem. He acknowledged that whatever the fix turns out to be is beyond his, personal technical abilities. He did bring in a professional and his team. However, some things have gone 'sideways' with that, at least from the membership perspective. Initially, we were told by the pro that things would be working in short order. Then he began equivocating. His next big update wasn't even on this site, but one where many question and have questioned why it would be made there. Since then, there have been rumors, theories, innuendos, and speculation as to whether the pro and his team are even still doing anything. We were told they were only working on it part time and voluntarily; i.e., without pay.

    As a result, the biggest 'mistake' many see is tied to a communication shut down from Kestryll. Many have convinced themselves that means he's 'abandoned' the site; but, that indicates a lack of simply checking his profile page, which indicates his last activity was 6/23/25, two days ago. If one proceeds on the assumption that Kestryll is signing in as Kestryll, that means he's still checking in, at least.

    We've been told that the moderators have been hampered by technical impacts to their 'moderator board,' meaning their powers have been negatively impacted. Yet, we also know there has, in fact, been a certain amount of moderation, though nothing like the norm. There was a certain amount of communication on that score from a couple of the moderators and there has been been clear and obvious steps taken, in several instances, which indicate that a certain 'variability' is present in terms of what powers are available and when. But, even the moderators have pretty much discontinued communication.

    Some, such as myself, feel that the lack of communication stems from a d***** if you do, d***** if you don't feeling and there is evidence for that. Initially, Kestryll was regularly communicating regarding the change. However, he was met with a constant barrage of complaints, demands, criticisms, etc. as regards why things weren't 'instantly' working again. Much of that stemmed from a couple of things. First, there were those who simply didn't grasp and failed to learn that any migration through several iterations of software wasn't going to be 'instantly' flawless and that errors not only in performance, but in terms of the readability of the site, by both the software and users, was going to be impacted and that corrections weren't simply a matter of pushing a button and done. You see, the primary agenda/goal was to maintain the accessibility/readability of the historical threads, meaning a maintenance of the knowledge this site contains.

    The second thing which was and continues to occur is a certain 'body' which has been attempting to either shut this site down or promote/force/chivvy a 'takeover.' That's not paranoia and it was confirmed, despite the fact that in the case of the one prominent player, a couple hundred of his posts were deleted and we don't know if that was done by him or the moderators (including Kestryll) or through a combination. However, at this point, there is almost no one who is going to take that individual member's word on the subject given what he has done in his campaign to gain access and/or control behind the curtain and the fact that he's openly declared his disdain for much of the content on this site and how he'd (ahem) 'archive' much of what is here, along with the limitations he places on what is allowed to be contributed to his own site.

    Finally, we've seen posted by a couple of members who are friends of Kestryll's that he's had some 'personal issues' which he's been dealing with.

    There are all kinds of theories and endless posts which have been made asserting what many feel is 'wrong' and what 'should' be done by way of a fix. In a sense, it's a no-win situation whether communication is renewed or not. I'm in the camp that an occasional status update would be useful, but that members have been placed in a position of having to accept the site for what it is at any given moment and realize that, for now, it is not going to be accessible or functional 24/7/365 at their convenience.

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    • #77
      Imageview
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2018
      • 1629

      The members online counter is not actually what it says it is. It doesn’t count members online. It reflects how many unique visitors have visited in a certain length of time, which is a configurable variable. Given that the site is not functioning properly, I wouldn’t hold too much stock even in that. I am sure calguns gets bot traffic, but every website and every other forum does too and this software can handle it just fine in most cases.

      Traffic is unlikely to be a significant contributor because this site doesn’t get much traffic anymore. This is shown not by the counter, and not by the lack of posts (although that is indicative), but by actual measured visits by tools available to do these sorts of things. The drop has been significant.

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      • #78
        Skidmark
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 1808

        All seems well and nicely back in order. The site isn't a spiffy as it would be on Xenforo, but it's still a big improvement over the previous underlying architecture. I appreciate the work of the site owner, admins, and moderators to bring it back online.
        Making guns illegal is as stupid as making drugs or prostitution illegal.

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        • #79
          95630GTR
          Member
          • Dec 2017
          • 150

          8 years of my deleted private messages reappeared in my message center. fine for nostalgia, but from a site performance point of view that was data that didn't need to be migrated and then multiply by all users, especially the stronger contributors... there may be some quick fixes to get the site 24/7/365...

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          • #80
            sd_shooter
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Dec 2008
            • 14205

            The site still sucks compared to all other forums on the web. I can't get on for hours at a time each day. When it does work it's totally fine

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            • #81
              SWalt
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2012
              • 8701

              Note to self...........

              Confucius say, "Don't wait 10+ years to upgrade software because a feature that some people demand is no longer supported."

              Since that is now in my deep memory, when will it be fixed and fixed good??
              ^^^The above is just an opinion.

              NRA Patron Member
              CRPA 5 yr Member

              "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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              • #82
                davidj
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jan 2013
                • 1850

                Confucius also say, "It does not matter how slowly you go as long as you do not stop."

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                • #83
                  TrappedinCalifornia
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2018
                  • 10006

                  Then people grouse about Kestryll not providing updates.

                  Uh... What could be considered evidence of forward progress and what is posted? Complaints and questions regarding when will it all be fixed, not to mention chiding over... I didn't personally need/want that fixed.

                  As I've said, it's a d***** if you do, d***** if you don't situation.

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                  • #84
                    Fjold
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 23016

                    I'm still having trouble getting on the site in the evenings here. The site now reminds me of the 1980's when I would push the "New Posts" button and it would show me 20 or so posts that were made that day.
                    Frank

                    One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375




                    Life Member NRA, CRPA and SAF

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                    • #85
                      stormvet
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 12681

                      It’s been pretty bad for me this week, site is down more often then not, it’s a shame for awhile there it was running pretty good. But it’s taken a few steps back recently.
                      Im a warmonger baby, I got blood in my eyes and I'm looking at you.

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                      • #86
                        tommyboy1966
                        Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 493

                        I’m retired so I had all day to try , but it took me 3 days just to bump a post. If I can’t get on , how can the buyers ?

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                        • #87
                          DB>
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 826

                          Calguns was once again DOWN more than up for the last several days... It's hard to argue that this smoldering dumpster fire is "getting better". Whatever value the site may have had is probably diminished to near nothing, or will soon reach that stage. I'm sure many "regulars" (myself included) have simply stopped being "regular" visitors, and find other options.

                          I found the "other" site because Chrome, realizing that THIS site was DOWN, suggested a redirect - nothing nefarious in the least, just the browser popping up trying to be helpful in locating appropriate content.

                          As for one feature being the cause of no upgrades, sometimes you have to let go, cut loose the stuff that will no longer work, and if it's REALLY such a big issue, find someone to code up a replacement (software ultimately is modular) - that can take anywhere from potentially a few hours to weeks, years indicates benign neglect and indifference, so please don't try to use the excuse. I've seen multiple people express interest in restoring this site to its former glory and beyond. I myself have posted willingness to help find what's wrong with the site and FIX IT. <crickets>. NO web site in this day and age should have the level of dry rot and systemic failure, at least not if they want to be around long. Whether you like the "no L" site or not, it's at least up and running fast and smooth MOST OF THE TIME.

                          If you go to the range, and your gun fails to fire, has constant FTF, FTE, stovepipes, and so on, are you gonna FIX IT, take it to a pro to fix, get rid of it, or stuff it in a dark corner somewhere and forget about it?!?! Reliability counts for something, and it's sorely lacking here for some reason. It's long past the time where "excuses" carry any meaningful weight - we all go through "seasons", but there comes a point where you either fold, or push through!

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                          • #88
                            alaskascottr
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 1154

                            You know what’s worse than the site being down?

                            Knowing without even checking that TIC will be telling us all that we’re at fault for even alluding to the shatshow that is now Calguns.

                            Oh, and of course that he’s far more knowledgeable than anyone else though he has no particular knowledge.

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                            • #89
                              supermoto917
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 558

                              If it's helpful I took multiple Wireshark packet captures while the site was working and when the site was down. I can send to someone that wants to crunch the captures but from my initial troughs is the issue is in between Nginx and the servers . Results of time outs varies between server replies are taking too long and it times out / encrypted handshake is established from my pc to server but still gets the Nginx error.
                              Rifle Golf:

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                              • #90
                                TrappedinCalifornia
                                I need a LIFE!!
                                • Jan 2018
                                • 10006

                                Originally posted by alaskascottr
                                You know what’s worse than the site being down?

                                Knowing without even checking that TIC will be telling us all that we’re at fault for even alluding to the shatshow that is now Calguns.

                                Oh, and of course that he’s far more knowledgeable than anyone else though he has no particular knowledge.
                                And... You wonder why I've been saying that patience rather than chivvying was the better approach?

                                Oh, I see where you found Kestryll's post.

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