Firearms Safety Cert (FSC, HSC replacement)

[ke6guj]

If you already have a COE and are an NRA Instructor, just become a DOJ certified instructor like I did. Without the cost of a COE (I did not need one until this year), it was the cheapest way for me to become exempt.

I don't see the instructor exemption listed.

and further, I see this,

When a DOJ Certified Instructor purchases/acquires a firearm, can he/she sign the Certified Instructor portion of the Safe Handling Demonstration Affidavit?
Yes, a DOJ Certified Instructor may oversee his/her own safe handling demonstration and sign the safe handling demonstration affidavit.

looks like you can oversee your own demo but you still have to do it.

[CSACANNONEER]

I don't see the instructor exemption listed.

and further, I see this,



looks like you can oversee your own demo but you still have to do it.

I have been using my instructor number in place of a regular HSC and DOJ has not had a problem with it in 2014. I have no problem doing my own safety demos.

[ke6guj]

I have been using my instructor number in place of a regular HSC and DOJ has not had a problem with it in 2014. I have no problem doing my own safety demos.

thats because I think that your non-expired DOJ instructor card IS your HSC/FSC, it is not an exemption to the HSC/FSC. therefore, since you are not exempt from the HSC/FSC, you still have to do the demo. but you were able to do your own demo. the issue becomes when you have to do a demo on a receiver and can't. I don't see where you can sign off on a demo on something you couldn't demo.

if you were exempt from the HSC/FSC, you wouldn't need to do the demo, and therefore wouldn't even need to sign off on your self-performed demo.

[CSACANNONEER]

thats because I think that your non-expired DOJ instructor card IS your HSC/FSC, it is not an exemption to the HSC/FSC. therefore, since you are not exempt from the HSC/FSC, you still have to do the demo. but you were able to do your own demo. the issue becomes when you have to do a demo on a receiver and can't. I don't see where you can sign off on a demo on something you couldn't demo.

if you were exempt from the HSC/FSC, you wouldn't need to do the demo, and therefore wouldn't even need to sign off on your self-performed demo.

Gotcha. I can't find the PC that requires the demo right now, do you know the code number off hand?

[ke6guj]

here you go,

26860. (a) Except as authorized by the department, commencing
January 1, 2015, a firearms dealer shall not deliver a long gun
unless the recipient performs a safe handling demonstration with that
long gun.
(b) The department shall, not later than January 1, 2015, adopt
regulations establishing a long gun safe handling demonstration that
shall include, at a minimum, loading and unloading the long gun.
(c) The firearms dealer shall sign and date an affidavit stating
that the requirements of subdivision (a) and the regulations adopted
pursuant to subdivision (b) have been met. The firearms dealer shall
additionally obtain the signature of the long gun purchaser on the
same affidavit. The firearms dealer shall retain the original
affidavit as proof of compliance with this section.
(d) The recipient shall perform the safe handling demonstration
for a department-certified instructor.
(e) A demonstration is not required if the dealer is returning the
long gun to the owner of the long gun.
(f) Department-certified instructors who may administer the safe
handling demonstration shall meet the requirements set forth in
subdivision (b) of Section 31635.
(g) An individual who is exempt from the requirements of
subdivision (a) of Section 31615, pursuant to Section 31700, is also
exempt from performing the safe handling demonstration.

and the list of exempt people,

31700. (a) The following persons, properly identified, are exempted
from the firearm safety certificate requirement in subdivision (a)
of Section 31615:
(1) Any active or honorably retired peace officer, as defined in
Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2.
(2) Any active or honorably retired federal officer or law
enforcement agent.
(3) Any reserve peace officer, as defined in Section 832.6.
(4) Any person who has successfully completed the course of
training specified in Section 832.
(5) A firearms dealer licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to
26915, inclusive, who is acting in the course and scope of that
person's activities as a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700
to 26915, inclusive.
(6) A federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being
loaned a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section
478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a
current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant
to Section 26710.
(7) A person to whom a firearm is being returned, where the person
receiving the firearm is the owner of the firearm.
(8) A family member of a peace officer or deputy sheriff from a
local agency who receives a firearm pursuant to Section 50081 of the
Government Code.
(9) Any individual who has a valid concealed weapons permit issued
pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5.
(10) An active or honorably retired member of the United States
Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, or the
active reserve components of the United States, where individuals in
those organizations are properly identified. For purposes of this
section, proper identification includes the Armed Forces
Identification Card or other written documentation certifying that
the individual is an active or honorably retired member.
(11) Any person who is authorized to carry loaded firearms
pursuant to Section 26025 or 26030.
(12) Persons who are the holders of a special weapons permit
issued by the department pursuant to Section 32650 or 33300, pursuant
to Article 3 (commencing with Section 18900) of Chapter 1 of
Division 5 of Title 2, or pursuant to Article 4 (commencing with
Section 32700) of Chapter 6 of this division.
(b) The following persons who take title or possession of a
firearm by operation of law in a representative capacity, until or
unless they transfer title ownership of the firearm to themselves in
a personal capacity, are exempted from the firearm safety certificate
requirement in subdivision (a) of Section 31615:
(1) The executor or administrator of an estate.
(2) A secured creditor or an agent or employee thereof when the
firearms are possessed as collateral for, or as a result of, or an
agent or employee thereof when the firearms are possessed as
collateral for, or as a result of, a default under a security
agreement under the Commercial Code.
(3) A levying officer, as defined in Section 481.140, 511.060, or
680.260 of the Code of Civil Procedure.
(4) A receiver performing the functions of a receiver.
(5) A trustee in bankruptcy performing the duties of a trustee.
(6) An assignee for the benefit of creditors performing the
functions of an assignee.
(c) A person, validly identified, who has been issued a valid
hunting license that is unexpired or that was issued for the hunting
season immediately preceding the calendar year in which the person
takes title of possession of a firearm is exempt from the firearm
safety certificate requirement in subdivision (a) of Section 31615,
except as to handguns.
(d) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2015.

I don't see HSC/FSC instructors on that list.

[ugimports]

System seemed to get back stable around 6:30pm tonight... doesn't help the folks impacted during the day but you can probably get FSCs printed tonight that you ran this morning and couldn't print due to load.

[Condorguns]

Thanks for the update Ugi. Fingers crossed it's better tomorrow.