Firearms Safety Cert (FSC, HSC replacement)

[Bowser]

Anyone heard any news on this crap?

I just got off the phone with the DES support, and the lady told me that we will have to register customers on a specific FSC website much like the DES, they will have to pay for it then and there via some sort of Amazon-like payment, and that we will be getting e-mails with our log in info this week...

What a mess.

[Condorguns]

I assume it will work much like the DES payment system now. I will be happy to not have to worry about running out of cards anymore.

Other than that...yeach it sucks.

[ugimports]

I really hope the consumer doesn't have to do the test on the web directly.. that could be problematic for those that only use the PC for back office stuff and it isn't in an area directly accessible by customers.

There's also plenty of non-computer savvy people...that would be interesting if that was the new type of discrimination....can't use a computer? can't get your FSC, sorry, no gun for you.

[ugimports]

On a side note the FAQ is up for it:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fscpfaqs

This one is lame:
Will I need a Firearm Safety Certificate if I begin a long gun transaction prior to January 1, 2015, but don’t take possession of the long gun until after December 31, 2014?
Yes. Effective January 1, 2015, an FSC must be obtained prior to taking possession of a long gun, regardless of when the DROS transaction was initiated.

I didn't know this:
What are the exemptions from the Firearm Safety Certificate requirement?
There are a variety of FSC requirement exemptions. In addition to the previous HSC exemptions, a person issued a valid hunting license is exempt from the FSC requirement for long guns only [Penal Code 31700(c)].

[halifax]

On a side note the FAQ is up for it:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fscpfaqs

This one is lame:
Will I need a Firearm Safety Certificate if I begin a long gun transaction prior to January 1, 2015, but don’t take possession of the long gun until after December 31, 2014?
Yes. Effective January 1, 2015, an FSC must be obtained prior to taking possession of a long gun, regardless of when the DROS transaction was initiated.

So then the system will be up and running by 12/22 since we will probably need to enter the FSC number on the DROS? Nope not until 1/1

What about the people who have already DROSed their long guns but weren't planning on picking it up up until the new year? A retroactive tax

You are correct...it is lame.

[Condorguns]

Augh, yeah I don't have an extra computer laying around for customers to use. That could be a real problem.

[Condorguns]

Has anyone received any emails yet?

[ugimports]

Received no further emails and I have a few folks that are starting receiver/long gun DROS this week and were planning to pick up in 2015 because we're gone on vacation. I'm not even sure how to document the FSC except with writing it in on the printout for pickup.

In my scenario there's only a handful of customers that are doing their long gun pickups in 2015 so if that part is really true I may eat the cost since I didn't notify them up front that would happen

[Condorguns]

I wish I would have known earlier that they needed the FSC to pick up.

What's the rational behind that one? I assume that they will need it for starting like the HSC, but this pickup requirement was not something I saw comming.

[ugimports]

same here, I just happened to google-fu last night when I found the FAQ

[ke6guj]

I wish I would have known earlier that they needed the FSC to pick up.

What's the rational behind that one? I assume that they will need it for starting like the HSC, but this pickup requirement was not something I saw comming.

27540. A dealer, whether or not acting pursuant to Chapter 5
(commencing with Section 28050), shall not deliver a firearm to a
person, as follows:

(e) A handgun shall not be delivered unless the purchaser,
transferee, or person being loaned the handgun presents a handgun
safety certificate. Commencing January 1, 2015, any firearm,
including a handgun, shall not be delivered unless the purchaser,
transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents a firearm
safety certificate to the dealer, except that in the case of a
handgun, an unexpired handgun safety certificate may be presented.

based on the wording of the law, it makes sense since the delivery is happening in 2015, that the FSC is required, even if the DROS started in 2014.

this is different than the SSE option changing. that law says that the FFL may not "offer for sale" so that happens at the beginning of the DROS, whereas with the HSC/FSC, the requirement is that it can't be delivered if you don't have a card.

[Condorguns]

27540. A dealer, whether or not acting pursuant to Chapter 5
(commencing with Section 28050), shall not deliver a firearm to a
person, as follows:

(e) A handgun shall not be delivered unless the purchaser,
transferee, or person being loaned the handgun presents a handgun
safety certificate. Commencing January 1, 2015, any firearm,
including a handgun, shall not be delivered unless the purchaser,
transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents a firearm
safety certificate to the dealer, except that in the case of a
handgun, an unexpired handgun safety certificate may be presented.

based on the wording of the law, it makes sense since the delivery is happening in 2015, that the FSC is required, even if the DROS started in 2014.

this is different than the SSE option changing. that law says that the FFL may not "offer for sale" so that happens at the beginning of the DROS, whereas with the HSC/FSC, the requirement is that it can't be delivered if you don't have a card.

Yeah, I got that now. Stupid me for assuming

[Bowser]

Just got my emails from the DOJ with my new account information.

[ugimports]

same here - logged in and the test, study guide, and answer stuff is available. but the cards won't be until 1/1/2015 which means there will be bunch of people picking up that need to take the test

[Bowser]

I printed out my instructor card and cert. Looking through all the new forms now.