Ruger SR22 Off Roster?

[cdavidson]

New to Calguns, and actually ended up here looking for info about the SR22.

Just purchased one from Turners in Oxnard, and on day 9 of our DROS wait time, we get the call that its no longer available.

I purchased the SR22 for my wife for her first gun, and so you can imagine how upset she is.

Based on what ive read here, looks like i will be headed out to Turners for a refund. Unfortunately the M&P22 is little too big for her, and the closest thing to the SR22 is the Walther P22. Which she has NOW fallen in love with. Unfortunately Turners doesnt have any in stock or at the warehouse (except Army Green in another store).

Appreciate the update and info from you all!

~Chris

Update on my visit to Turners Oxnard.

So walked up the counter and happened to be helped by the manager.

Handed him the paperwork and explained how we WISH we was there picking up a firearm. He explained that the SR22 had been dropped from the roster and that their inventory had to be shipped back to Ruger. He then mentioned it was due to Ruger making a change to the firearm.

He quickly offered to provide us with a complete and full refund (Including DROS) or to apply the $$ to another firearm purchase.

We chose to take a look at the Sig Mosquito, and the wife decided to go with it.

We had originally picked up the SR22 on sale for $329 and the SIG Mosquito was $359. Without asking, he matched the $329 price, drafted up the DROS paperwork, and few signatures later we shook hands and walked out. Not a dime out of pocket.

Have to say that im happy with the way they handled things. Looks like Turners will be keeping me as a customer.

[REH]

If the DOJ determines that the improved SR22 is modified more than the original example, they will not allow it without the micro stamp.

This roster has to go away. It is used to extort money and reduce our selection of firearms, a back door ban.

[tenpercentfirearms]

The question I have out of all of this is Ruger should be given the option to re-instate the old version that was on the roster. However, I also understand the state's position that they modified the original and might have been trying to pull a fast one. Basically in the end, it is Ruger's fault for not playing the stupid game California set up correctly. In the end Ruger might say, "Screw you California" and that is understandable as well. This state does not make lawful commerce easy.

[tungsten2k]

Yes, unless it dropped off the list due to changes in the firearm, which is what the DOJ is saying on the DROS system web page, in which case the DROS is cancelled.

Then how did I submit mine on the 20th, it go off roster the 26th, and I picked it up on the 31st?

Please show us the law that states what you are claiming.

[tungsten2k]

ps- I would not be too happy with a shop that wouldn't give me the gun I bought only because they fear the government "might" come down on them.

EDIT: We still have not confirmed or denied the existence of the specific rule for this situation. Unless it's written specifically in a law somewhere, the date on the receipt is the date of sale. In this instance, I would expect that no sale could be allowed on or after the 26th.

Turners may have their own corporate policy based on liability or insurance or something else that dictates their policy, but I've seen no law that would require them to not issue the firearm purchased before the pistol was dropped from the roster. There are none around here that I know of, but I wouldn't give them my business if given the choice.

[ugimports]

Then how did I submit mine on the 20th, it go off roster the 26th, and I picked it up on the 31st?

Please show us the law that states what you are claiming.

It was earlier in the thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=11924855&postcount=26

[ugimports]

ps- I would not be too happy with a shop that wouldn't give me the gun I bought only because they fear the government "might" come down on them.

EDIT: We still have not confirmed or denied the existence of the specific rule for this situation. Unless it's written specifically in a law somewhere, the date on the receipt is the date of sale. In this instance, I would expect that no sale could be allowed on or after the 26th.

Turners may have their own corporate policy based on liability or insurance or something else that dictates their policy, but I've seen no law that would require them to not issue the firearm purchased before the pistol was dropped from the roster.

The PC was listed earlier in the thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=11924855&postcount=26

Specifically:
...However, if a purchaser has initiated a
transfer of a handgun that is listed on the roster as not
unsafe, and prior to completion of the transfer, the
handgun is removed from the roster pursuant to
subdivision (f), the handgun shall not be deliverable to
the purchaser.

[halifax]

Then how did I submit mine on the 20th, it go off roster the 26th, and I picked it up on the 31st?

...

Simple answer: Dealers don't check the DOJ website daily for announcements. That doesn't mean the DOJ doesn't know you took delivery of a handgun deemed unsafe.

[kemasa]

Then how did I submit mine on the 20th, it go off roster the 26th, and I picked it up on the 31st?

Please show us the law that states what you are claiming.

The FFL violated the law, that is how, if it involved the SR22.

You should read the whole thread before demanding references. Before I could respond, the link has been provided to you.

[kemasa]

ps- I would not be too happy with a shop that wouldn't give me the gun I bought only because they fear the government "might" come down on them.

Well, why should the FFL be put at risk because you are not happy?

EDIT: We still have not confirmed or denied the existence of the specific rule for this situation. Unless it's written specifically in a law somewhere, the date on the receipt is the date of sale. In this instance, I would expect that no sale could be allowed on or after the 26th.

We? We have confirmed the law. You have not read everything and have just gone off with what you think things should be without regards to the law.

BTW, did you try to confirm what the law says yourself?

Turners may have their own corporate policy based on liability or insurance or something else that dictates their policy, but I've seen no law that would require them to not issue the firearm purchased before the pistol was dropped from the roster. There are none around here that I know of, but I wouldn't give them my business if given the choice.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

As said, if the firearm drops off the roster because it was not renewed, the DROS is not cancelled. If it due to changes, then it is. Read the other posts with the links to the specific law.

[IIamendment]

What FFL did you purchase your SR22 from? I purchased and DROSed mine on 7/20 also. 1st pick-up date was 7/30. Turners called on 7/26 and says they can't deliver to me. Asked if I would like a refund or exchange. Their contract says "All sales are final, no refunds or exchanges" Seems as though "Corporate Policy" is a moving target.

[kemasa]

Asked if I would like a refund or exchange. Their contract says "All sales are final, no refunds or exchanges" Seems as though "Corporate Policy" is a moving target.

Just because it says no refunds or exchanges does not mean that is actually the case.

If a FFL sold you a custom rifle owned by someone famous for $100k and you started the paperwork, but during the waiting the FFL was careless and ran over it with a steamroller, they could not say tough luck, the most we will do is give you a credit.

The words are nice and can scare people into doing things, but it does not mean it can actually be enforced.

In the normal case where the buyer changes their mind or something, nothing to do with the seller, then it would apply.

[acespawnshop]

Just because it says no refunds or exchanges does not mean that is actually the case.

I would imagine this policy has more to do with denials or cancellations. I wouldn't say this applies to this SR-22 debacle. I have also heard that distributors are offering CA FFLs to return their SR's back to them. If this is true or not I have not found out directly. I only had 1 left in stock and we are just sending it to my Bros FFL in AZ and selling it there.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I would imagine this policy has more to do with denials or cancellations. I wouldn't say this applies to this SR-22 debacle. I have also heard that distributors are offering CA FFLs to return their SR's back to them. If this is true or not I have not found out directly. I only had 1 left in stock and we are just sending it to my Bros FFL in AZ and selling it there.

My Big Rock Sports rep told me to get him the serial numbers. I don't know if that means he is sending me a call tag or what as I haven't had the time to do that yet.

[Off the Roster]

As I understand it Ruger made a minor machining change to the slide and now CA DOJ is calling it a new weapon. If this is indeed the case I doubt we will see it return now that microstamping is being enforced (as we all know, casings kill thousands of innocent people every year). Microstamping on a rimfire sounds pretty impossible a task given available surface area. Why Ruger is calling in guns with serial numbers prior to the machining change is beyond me. The SR22 is still on the shelves for lucky gunfolk in normal states.