Did I get hosed? $85 PPT

[FortCourageArmory]

The dealer may be on safe legal ground. The DOJ requires that all non-DOJ fees be spelled out on the customer's receipt. It sounds like this dealer did just that. That may get him off the hook from any DOJ-inspired action. However, it doesn't sound very ethical to charge someone a "Safety Demo" fee. I'd just do business with another dealer.

[CSACANNONEER]

$25 for a safety demo is a bit steep. Fort Courage only charges me $15!








J/K, FCA is really a great FFL to do bussiness with and doesn't make up things to charge for.

I would guess that since the "safe handling demo" is a REQIURED part of the PPT transfer, they can not charge for it. It's no different than when Turner's got in trouble for charging additional storage fees on EVERY transfer or sale.

[Hopalong]

I've been thinking more about this, and since the Safety Demo is also part of other transfers, (that are not PPT transfers,) then "technically" maybe not part of a PPT, but of a transfer "in general".

If that were the case, the DOJ does not regulate what a shop can charge for these other kinds of transfers.

Doesn't make this dealer any less of a rip off though.

I have never been charged anything for the Safety Demo.

[POLICESTATE]

The scammers were:

Campbell Sportsmen Supply
1536 Camden Avenue, Campbell, CA

Ah the purveyors of FUD, I am surprised about the $25 demo fee from them though. Lame.

Not like I needed anymore reasons not to shop there anyway.

[stevie]

Wonder how much you are going to get charged for that lock when you go pick it up?

[tacticalcity]

If doing it face to face you kind of got hosed but not too badly. If you had it shipped to you and he had to receive it/store it before the DROS then you paid a normal price. I've seen some dealers, usually brick and mortar stores charge $125.

Just because you purchase from another private party does not make it a PPT. It is only a PPT if you are both doing it face to face at the dealer. Once someone is shipping it, the fees start to go up.

I am not sure what my dealer charged (he is retiring this month) for PPTs as I was always the seller never the buyer on face to face transactions, but he charged me $60 per DROS on things he had to receive in the mail. Started off at $35 several years ago...prices went up over time.

The upside is, if you are doing long guns you can put a bunch of them on the same DROS and spread that fee out a bit. He did not have a per gun fee. Sadly, if doing a handgun that was shipped and not face to face you can only do 1 per DROS.

[MontClaire]

This is complete

[BANG BANG]

It really wasn't a hosing if;

1. They got you dinner and drunk first

2. They had consent

3. They used a condom

4. They usd KY Jelly

5. You liked it.

this made me actually laugh out loud

[jtmkinsd]

From CA PC 12082:

The purchaser or transferee or
person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay
a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm, and no other fee
may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a
firearm conducted pursuant to this section

I don't know how anyone can "interpret" this to mean I can charge for another service that's not part of the "transfer". They are simply breaking the law...no two ways about it.

[jeep7081]

You over paid by $35. Personally, I would call them and ask for the $35 back. Simple call might get you back some money. They know it was a BS charge. I am sure they don't want you to slam them online nor have you call the BBB.

Good luck.

[negolien]

hum

so a dros + a HSC + a charge for the transfer those could all be 25 bucks plus 10 bucks for their time extra? lol The $25 dollars all seem ok it's the $10 charge I' am finding odd.

[CSACANNONEER]

so a dros + a HSC + a charge for the transfer those could all be 25 bucks plus 10 bucks for their time extra? lol The $25 dollars all seem ok it's the $10 charge I' am finding odd.

By law, PPT charges can not excedd $25 for DROS (goes to the state of Ca.) and a FFL is able to charge up to $10 for their services. That is why you normally see PPT charges at $35. Anything more is illegal.

[Rob454]

I have never been charged anything for the Safety Demo.

I have also never been charged a fee for the safety demo. If any shop tried to charge me that fee I would laugh in their face and walk away and go somewhere else.

[kemasa]

In the case of a PPT, they just can not charge more. Some FFLs used to charge for storage, but the law changed to prevent that. The total fees are limited to $35 total (DROS + FFL fee). The HSC is separate and is required before the PPT.

[jtmkinsd]

so a dros + a HSC + a charge for the transfer those could all be 25 bucks plus 10 bucks for their time extra? lol The $25 dollars all seem ok it's the $10 charge I' am finding odd.

The HSC test is a separate charge that is not part of the transfer itself. And it is specifically allowed for in PC 12082.

The purchaser or transferee or
person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay
a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm, and no other fee
may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a
firearm conducted pursuant to this section, except for the applicable
fees that may be charged pursuant to Sections 12076, 12076.5, and
12088.9 and forwarded to the Department of Justice, and the fees set
forth in Section 12805. Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a
dealer from charging a smaller fee. The dealer may not charge any
additional fees.