Did I get hosed? $85 PPT

[The right]

During a PPT with my brother on a handgun I was charged a total of $85. I thought it was a bit steep.

The reciept had the following:
Our Labor - $10
Firearm Registration - $25
Handgun Saftey Certificate - $25
Safety Demo - $25

I was in a bit of a hurry as my brother needed to get to work so I didn't want to gripe until I was completley sure that I could and had some sort of a leg to stand on.

Your feedback and any course of action recommendations is appreciated.

[DiscoBayJoe]

I've never seen anyone get charged for a Safety Demo. That charge is bogus. If you didn't already have the HSC (and thus took the test today), the rest of the charges are legit.

[Ed_Hazard]

During a PPT with my brother on a handgun I was charged a total of $85. I thought it was a bit steep.

The reciept had the following:
Our Labor - $10
Firearm Registration - $25

OK so far...

Handgun Saftey Certificate - $25

Did you take the test for a new HSC? Did they issue you a new card? If not you got ripped.


Safety Demo - $25

What the hell is this?

I was in a bit of a hurry as my brother needed to get to work so I didn't want to gripe until I was completley sure that I could and had some sort of a leg to stand on.

Haste makes waste.
Your feedback and any course of action recommendations is appreciated.

Sound like they charged you some BS fees. Which FFL was this?

[Super Spy]

Please tell us which FFL so I know not to go thre for a PPT. That $25 demo fee is BS.

[melman]

LOL safety demo charge wtf!

[Rob454]

Go back and get your money back. The safety fee is not even a real charge. If you need to tell the manager you will let the DOJ know what they are doing. Then file a complaint. i bet you get your money back as soon as you say DOJ
You shoudl post the FFLs name

[The right]

I did not have an HSC and did take the test that day.

I want to wait out the remaining 7 days and give them an oppurtunity to correct their unethical actions before I redicule them on the web in every format imaginable so that I do not have any funny business retaliation when I try to go pick up the firearm. However, regardless of the outcome I will be sure to follow back up on this thread and let you guys know so you can avoid these scammers. Thanks.

[bubbapug1]

It really wasn't a hosing if;

1. They got you dinner and drunk first

2. They had consent

3. They used a condom

4. They usd KY Jelly

5. You liked it.

[The right]

Rob, I am friends with director level individual at the DOJ who auctually owes me a few favors, who I was infact going to give a call to tommorow and get the run down on it all.

To be honest, I kinda feel like filing a complaint either way just so they don't take advantage of the next guy. That or saying well you guys held my $25 for 10 days and wronged me, it's one thing to give me the $25 bucks back but how about you throw in a box of your best 45 ammo to assure me that you really are sorry.

[battleship]

Oh spill the beans who was this.

[Hopalong]

I am not a FFL dealer, but I have been self employed for over 35 years, and been to small claims court many times. Never losing.

The way the guy broke it down on the receipt protects him from DOJ, in my opinion

As far as I know, he DOJ sets rules regarding the PPT, which, from my experience, usually entails the $25.00 registration and a $10.00 handling fee.

I don't think the DOJ regulates the safety demonstration, and I guess the argument becomes whether or not the Safety Demo is part of the PPT or not.

That said, I've never heard of anyone charging for the safety demonstration.

So, even though this fee is bogus at most shops, he still has a right to charge it.

What he does not have a right to do, is not tell you in advance of all the charges.

Therefore, if you wanted to sue him in small claims court for this fee, and you brought in statements from several other shops stating that this fee is not customary, and that he didn't inform you in advance of this charge..

You would win, and get your money back, plus court costs.

Obviously, nobody is going to do that, it's too much trouble.

What you can do is not do business there, and theoretically market influences will take care of this shop.

If the DOJ does regulate the Safety Demo, and it is in fact part of the PPT, then never mind, go after him via the DOJ.

[cmichini]

Go back and get your money back. The safety fee is not even a real charge. If you need to tell the manager you will let the DOJ know what they are doing. Then file a complaint. i bet you get your money back as soon as you say DOJ
You shoudl post the FFLs name

I agree on this 100%.
Get your cash back AND file with DOJ or they will bone the next guy who's not 100% on the rules.
Also, I'd out the guy so others can avoid him/her as they should be shunned. If it were me, I wouldn't wait for the end of 10 days, more victims could be created in the interim.

It's not enough to have to wade through FUD at shops we now have to contend with fraud as well? Nice...

[RobG]

You got hosed. What can you do about it? Complain to the DOJ which will probably do nothing. Someone posts this every few months or so and I have yet to see any resolution. Most just suck it up and never go back. Naming the shop so others will know not to go there would be appreciated as well.

I am not a FFL dealer, but I have been self employed for over 35 years, and been to small claims court many times. Never losing.

The way the guy broke it down on the receipt protects him from DOJ, in my opinion

As far as I know, he DOJ sets rules regarding the PPT, which, from my experience, usually entails the $25.00 registration and a $10.00 handling fee.

I don't think the DOJ regulates the safety demonstration, and I guess the argument becomes whether or not the Safety Demo is part of the PPT or not.

That said, I've never heard of anyone charging for the safety demonstration.

So, even though this fee is bogus at most shops, he still has a right to charge it.

What he does not have a right to do, is not tell you in advance of all the charges.

Therefore, if you wanted to sue him in small claims court for this fee, and you brought in statements from several other shops stating that this fee is not customary, and that he didn't inform you in advance of this charge..

You would win, and get your money back, plus court costs.

Obviously, nobody is going to do that, it's too much trouble.

What you can do is not do business there, and theoretically market influences will take care of this shop.

If the DOJ does regulate the Safety Demo, and it is in fact part of the PPT, then never mind, go after him via the DOJ.

Is the demo not part of doing a PPT? Every time I have done one, I need to demonstrate safe handling of said firearm. There is even a form I have seen the dealers use that describe what needs to be done whether it is a revo or semi auto.

[The right]

The scammers were:

Campbell Sportsmen Supply
1536 Camden Avenue, Campbell, CA

[Hopalong]

You got hosed. What can you do about it? Complain to the DOJ which will probably do nothing. Someone posts this every few months or so and I have yet to see any resolution. Most just suck it up and never go back. Naming the shop so others will know not to go there would be appreciated as well.




Is the demo not part of doing a PPT? Every time I have done one, I need to demonstrate safe handling of said firearm. There is even a form I have seen the dealers use that describe what needs to be done whether it is a revo or semi auto.

As I said, this is THE issue here.

My point is to warn the OP what the dealer's argument is likely to be.

Is the dealer ripping people off, and parsing words? You bet he is.

But, in the eyes of the law, if this is a "technicality," then that will determine if the DOJ backs the OP or not.

Just because there is form doesn't necessarily mean it's part of the PPT, by law.

Obviously the "spirit" of the law says that this Safe Demo is part of the PPT, but is it the "letter" of the law?

Hopefully an expert will chime in here and clear this up.

The gun shop owner was careful to separate this out on his receipt.

My guess is to play fast and loose with the law, have a technicality to fall back on, and be able to rip people off.