Do sellers need RealID for PPT?

[jok5tr]

I was at Sportsman's Warehouse yesterday as the buyer, and we were turned away because the seller's driver's license said "Federal Limits Apply" and did not have another form of proof of lawful presence. I know that this is a requirement for buyers, but does it really apply to sellers as well?

[kemasa]

Not really, but would if the buyer is denied.

Update: I asked and was told that the same ID requirements apply to the seller as the buyer. It doesn't make sense to me since the seller doesn't have the same residency requirements with respect to documents.

[Spaffo]

Another reason to only PPT at a "no drama" FFL that doesn't make up more bs hoops to jump through.

[Master_Prestige]

[9mmContagion]

Heard it at a local FFL as well.. the guy was actually looking to just sell the gun to the shop and they turned him away for having FLA license. Seems dumb to me, since usually CA doesn’t care who’s selling, so long as it was never a stolen gun. One less store to do business with!

[ShooterDK]

I ran into this this past summer. I was trying to buy a CZ75-B from a seller. We met at a FFL in West Sacramento. That no transfers any more as shop was going to close shop. We went River City to do transfer. They said no go as seller had old ID. The seller had to drive back to Davis to get his passport. We agreed to meet up at Sportsman's Warehouse in Stockton. They told us the other shop was full of it. No seller did not need Real ID to do transfer. Processed the PPT. What a pain...

[I Swan]

I am amazed Turner's does not require real ID from the seller.

[lexo98]

[1681]

Heard it at a local FFL as well.. the guy was actually looking to just sell the gun to the shop and they turned him away for having FLA license. Seems dumb to me, since usually CA doesn’t care who’s selling, so long as it was never a stolen gun. One less store to do business with!

That FFL deserves to be out of business for being dumb. All they had to do was to buy the gun from the seller and hold it for 30 days to make sure it's not stolen.

[1681]

It's ironic that the big box stores like Bass Pro, Turner's, Ammo Bros, etc.. love to make up their own BS policies to make it harder for people to exercise their 2A rights.

[1681]

I am amazed Turner's does not require real ID from the seller.

Avoid Turner's, Ammo Bros, Bass Pro, Rifle Gear, etc.. like the plague when it comes to PPT.

They care more about protecting their own asses than protecting 2A rights with their BS policies.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

Avoid Turner's, Ammo Bros, Bass Pro, Rifle Gear, etc.. like the plague when it comes to PPT.

They care more about protecting their own asses than protecting 2A rights with their BS policies.

[I Swan]

Avoid Turner's, Ammo Bros, Bass Pro, Rifle Gear, etc.. like the plague when it comes to PPT.

They care more about protecting their own asses than protecting 2A rights with their BS policies.

What does Riflegear pull during PPT? I can't imagine subjecting myself to a PPT at Bass Pro.

[I Swan]

Nor do buyers and sellers like being forced to have to do a PPT in the first place. So if a FFL makes it harder than need be and scowls and has attitude guess where I won't be giving my large amount of non PPT business to?

It really does not need to take that long if you have a prepared buyer and seller and at a non peak time. I've done PPT's that take less than 10 minutes. It's also not super uncommon for me to give added business at a PPT at a place I normally don't go to.

My last one I spent $80 extra I know it wasn't much but was junk bin stuff the FFL got for free.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

Nor do buyers and sellers like being forced to have to do a PPT in the first place. So if a FFL makes it harder than need be and scowls and has attitude guess where I won't be giving my large amount of non PPT business to?

It really does not need to take that long if you have a prepared buyer and seller and at a non peak time. I've done PPT's that take less than 10 minutes. It's also not super uncommon for me to give added business at a PPT at a place I normally don't go to.

My last one I spent $80 extra I know it wasn't much but was junk bin stuff the FFL got for free.

I agree that dealers should not even need to be in the loop. Now that DOJ has a built a somewhat robust version of CFARS, there is no reason why they couldn't add a PPT functionality where the parties enter their info and the seller holds the gun until an approval is received. The only drawback is that if the seller is prohibited, the gun is still in their possession and DOJ would have to send their APPS goons after them. I'm guessing the statistics of denied sellers is minuscule though.

As for PPT buyers and sellers giving business to the FFL, this is sometimes the case and it is always appreciated, but more often than not, it is two sellers that come in and the FFL just happens to be an equidistant location for the two parties to meet. They rarely buy anything and often come in during peak hours with an entitled attitude that the FFL must under any circumstances do their PPT.

Hopefully someday one of the 2A organizations or even better, the NSSF, will push the DOJ to enact a more appropriate PPT method.