Ammo Sales / Transfer on 1/1/2018

[Condorguns]

I'm not sure where the confusion is, Walmart will be selling ammo from their inventory, they won't be accepting shipments from online sellers.

They will be required to have a designated ammo person with a Certificate of Eligibility in the sporting goods store handling the ammo transactions (which may be a pain). The customer will purchase the ammo, pay the sales tax and be on their way.

WalMarts in California need a AMMUNITION VENDOR LICENSE, they don't need an FFL.

They have shelves full of ammo. As of January 1, 2018, they can still sell ammo if they have the AMMUNITION VENDOR LICENSE.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/regs/bof-1021.pdf

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...nt-reasons.pdf

How will Walmart have a ammunition vendors license by the first?

[sandiego67]

How can they figure it out? CA DOJ hasn't given the rules yet. It's like trying to figure out how to register an AW before the regulations were released.

From the NRA and it's attorneys from December 2017.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171201/california-doj-submits-proposed-ammunition-vendor-licensing-regulations-to-the-office-of-administrative-law

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/doj-regular.pdf

I don't have access to specific evidence showing WalMart has addressed the issue also but as a huge corporation with significant liability as well as profit motive, I assume that they are addressing this also

[ugimports]

From the NRA and it's attorneys from December 2017.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171201/california-doj-submits-proposed-ammunition-vendor-licensing-regulations-to-the-office-of-administrative-law

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/doj-regular.pdf

I don't have access to specific evidence showing WalMart has addressed the issue also but as a huge corporation with significant liability as well as profit motive, I assume that they are addressing this also

That's all about the license. I'm not asking about that (I think as you said it's pretty clear). I'm talking about the actual process to sell ammo from my post a few above. There's supposedly processes to follow and sales information we have to track. I don't know what that is, how it's supposed to be tracked, or who I provide that to.

I have no idea what the ammunition sales requirements are and don't want to violate them.

[taperxz]

That's all about the license. I'm not asking about that (I think as you said it's pretty clear). I'm talking about the actual process to sell ammo from my post a few above. There's supposedly processes to follow and sales information we have to track. I don't know what that is, how it's supposed to be tracked, or who I provide that to.

I have no idea what the ammunition sales requirements are and don't want to violate them.

I'm not positive but the stuff you are talking about will start in 2019 if my memory serves me right

[ugimports]

I'm not positive but the stuff you are talking about will start in 2019 if my memory serves me right

That's what I'm trying to confirm as well, but as it stands I can't find it. I saw BGC is in 2019, but nothing else confirming what, if anything, changes between 1/1/2018 and 2019.

[taperxz]

That's what I'm trying to confirm as well, but as it stands I can't find it. I saw BGC is in 2019, but nothing else confirming what, if anything, changes between 1/1/2018 and 2019.

All ammo must be obtained from an FFL or CA Authorized Ammo Vendor.

Anyone handling firearms or ammo in an FFL or AV must have a COE

[Tyke8319]

From the NRA and it's attorneys from December 2017.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171201/california-doj-submits-proposed-ammunition-vendor-licensing-regulations-to-the-office-of-administrative-law

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/doj-regular.pdf

I don't have access to specific evidence showing WalMart has addressed the issue also but as a huge corporation with significant liability as well as profit motive, I assume that they are addressing this also

Don't know if anyone has read the proposed Ammunition Vendor License form but they're requiring a $189.00 lic. fee from vendors!!
I call it a )(*&%$TAX!!!

[tenpercentfirearms]

Finally getting around to figuring out how my fees schedule is going to work. Only PPTs are $5 by regulation. If they don't bring the ammo in, we can charge whatever storage fees we want.

Really the biggest deal in all of this is sales tax. I think we are on safe footing on a PPT not to require sales tax. So those will just be $5 and nothing to it. I expect to get like zero of those.

It is being the receiver that is going to be a potential pitfall, especially for stupid dealers who are running their mouths about doing all of this for free. You know customers are going to want to not pay sales tax or pay it with their credit card, which immediately puts you at a loss. Either way, you still have to track the sales tax and submit it to the BOE. What a pain.

This is just a fat mess. A dude orders $1000 worth of ammo, I have to collect $72.50 in sales tax and that is going to cost me $2 in processing fees. That isn't horrible, so maybe I will just do a flat rate of $20 for cash check payment and $30 for credit cards. I might also reserve the right to change my amounts at anytime for any reason (if a dude comes in wanting to pick up $10K worth).

Thoughts?

[tenpercentfirearms]

Reading the regulations, I am not sure a guy ordering ammo online and having it shipped to us is even a " Private Party (non-vendor) Ammunition Sale".

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/doj-regular.pdf

So I will just err on the side of my profits and the fact I am the only ammo vendor in town.

[kemasa]

Reading the regulations, I am not sure a guy ordering ammo online and having it shipped to us is even a " Private Party (non-vendor) Ammunition Sale".

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/doj-regular.pdf

So I will just err on the side of my profits and the fact I am the only ammo vendor in town.

It is just like firearms. If it out of state, it is subject to sales tax. Doesn't make sense since the excuse is wrong, state law, not federal, but it is going through your business.

[ASD1]

Finally getting around to figuring out how my fees schedule is going to work. Only PPTs are $5 by regulation. If they don't bring the ammo in, we can charge whatever storage fees we want.

Really the biggest deal in all of this is sales tax.

This is just a fat mess. A dude orders $1000 worth of ammo, I have to collect $72.50 in sales tax and that is going to cost me $2 in processing fees. That isn't horrible, so maybe I will just do a flat rate of $20 for cash check payment and $30 for credit cards.

Thoughts?

FFL's are not a bank

CASH ONLY for ammo transfer fees and Sales tax payments.

Logging in and logging out Ammo is going to be a PITA

[tenpercentfirearms]

Logging in and logging out Ammo is going to be a PITA

You have 1.5 years to figure it out!

I just can't believe how stupid it is we start doing this now when we don't have to check anything. There is zero point except to collect sales tax.

[kemasa]

There is zero point except to collect sales tax.

Not quite, harassment is also a point, which is likely the main purpose, but the added money they also like.

[wannabefree]

This is going to be a hot mess come the 1st of the year. I doubt that this is going to work out well for either the FFl or the customer. I predict a lot of bootleg ammo coming in from out of State and cannot wait to see the litigation going forward.

At some point we just have to draw a line in the sand and refuse to comply.

[tenpercentfirearms]

This is going to be a hot mess come the 1st of the year. I doubt that this is going to work out well for either the FFl or the customer. I predict a lot of bootleg ammo coming in from out of State and cannot wait to see the litigation going forward.

At some point we just have to draw a line in the sand and refuse to comply.

There is zero incentive for dealers to just refuse to comply as losing your CFD pretty much means you will be an easily convicted criminal that is unable to continue to sell guns or ammo. Dealers will continue to have to play the game or leave the game all together.