Driver's License only has P.O. Box

[Micheric]

I don't think the DMV will issue a Drivers License and a CA non driving ID at the same time but I will check into that again. I had thought about that approach and asked before and was told no. But that could change with the person on the other side of the counter.

Also, I can't imagine that something I fill out and then print out on my computer will satisfy the Feds.

So I am still trying to find a solution. Again, not looking to prove residence as I can do that with a utility bill or deed of trust. But I need an easy way to satisfy the DOJ requirement of a CA drivers license with a street address.

thanks -

[Micheric]

Which FFL was this? Was it Jackson Arms? If so, they did the same thing to me. Nonsense!!!

All you need is a water or property tax bill (which are both issued by government agencies) to verify your address. Technically, a PGE bill is not good enough (not a govt agency) but lots of FFL dealers accept them as well.

FYI, here's a thread that I started after I was faced with varying requirements to complete the DROS process at different dealers: Do Dealers Make Up Their Own Rules?.

I will look into your previous thread - thanks.

The FFL was a burbank gun store and they were nice enough about it. Kept confirming with the doj. But I guess the easiest way to solve this problem is for me to get my entire driving record or if my CCW will have my street address - which I will find out in a week.

So you can't buy a gun with some FFLs if you don't have a CA DL or ID or not prior military?

[meental]

You can have a DL and an ID at the same time, the ID will have your DL number on it

[SonofWWIIDI]

Very easy fix. Go to DMV and get a ID card with your address on it. Then you have a driver lic and a ID card. I have both and it works fine for purchasing firearms.

Driver lic = P O Box address
ID card = street address.

You beat me too it Sully.

[beardog308]

AAA will amend your auto registration to show your PO and physical address for $19.00

It's common and they'll know why you're there.

[ugimports]

Remember that there are 2 requirements here.

1) State Requirements (which are a little more relaxed) and any of these work:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#13G

2) Federal Requirements which is a little more strict and must be a government document, some examples:
a) Jury Summons
b) Car Registration
c) CA DMV Driving Info Request
d) Utility bill if from city/county
e) Property Tax Bill
f) IRS Bill
g) Paystub if from Govt Agency
h) others...

Anything you printout on your own for DMV is usually not acceptable because it can be forged.

Even though these are the stated requirements, FFLs may vary so you may have had experiences where some docs like PG&E were accepted for both requirements. The FFLs won't know they made a mistake until their next audit if that document is caught. However, that's not an issue for you as the customer if the FFL will accept your docs. Just realize that ultimately the FFL you go will decide what they take.

For example, even though a Jury Summons should work (it meets legal requirements) an FFL may choose not to accept it. As mentioned in previous threads in the FFL Forums your best bet is to ALWAYS check with your FFL before you start the transaction on what documents they will need from you given your condition. Whether it be Greencard Holder, Visa Holder, US Citizen with PO Box, etc...

This will prevent any hiccups when trying to complete your transaction.

[Josh3239]

I've used it in the past, and at multiple FFLs. Why don't you take it?

What UGI said. Not so much government issued either. All I know is we've told not to, which is probably the result of an auditor telling us that they don't want to see those.

[Dantedamean]

I've had the same issue in the past. I've had to return a gun because I wasn't able to get the required documents.

[Micheric]

Remember that there are 2 requirements here.

1) State Requirements (which are a little more relaxed) and any of these work:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#13G

2) Federal Requirements which is a little more strict and must be a government document, some examples:
a) Jury Summons
b) Car Registration
c) CA DMV Driving Info Request
d) Utility bill if from city/county
e) Property Tax Bill
f) IRS Bill
g) Paystub if from Govt Agency
h) others...

The jury summons, car reg, drivers license and IRS bill all have the po box. The utility is from Edison so that didn't work and I am not paid by a Govt Agency (I am usually paying them) so that too doesn't work.

If beardog's suggestion will work at my AAA (which was to have the car registration changed to include the street address and the po box), that would probably solve the problem with virtually all FFLs. I will check on that this week.

And of course the CA DL and the CA ID would also solve the problem.

[kemasa]

Get a C&R FFL and then list the mailing address as your PO Box so that you get it. The premises address will have your actual address. It is a government document, which works for the Federal requirements and it is only $30 for 3 years ($10/year). Get the CA DOJ COE and then you won't have a waiting period for C&R firearms as well.

[sully007]

Very easy fix. Go to DMV and get a ID card with your address on it. Then you have a driver lic and a ID card. I have both and it works fine for purchasing firearms.

Driver lic = P O Box address
ID card = street address.

What is wrong with you people? This works just fine and only cost you one time.

[sully007]

Driver's License only has P.O. Box

Perhaps but some people (like me and other LEOs) don't want ANYONE (except trusted friends and relatives) to know where they live and don't want their physical address listed on their DL or any other ID.

That's why I have the PO box on my DL and use the ID card for only purchasing firearms. No one other then the FFL ever see the ID card.

I leave it at home locked up when not needed.

[eltee]

The USPS recently made a change, for the better, regarding PO Box owners. You can now, legally, use the street address of the post office. For example, if the physical address of your post office branch is 911 Maple St. in lieu of using "John Smith, P.O. Box 123, Anytown, USA, 54321" you may now use, "John Smith, 911 Maple Street # 123, Anytown, USA, 54321."

IMHO this is a major improvement. Your CDL, correspondence, etc. will not have the "stigma" of showing a post office box as the address.

I double checked this with my own post office branch. It's legit.

https://ribbs.usps.gov/index.cfm?page=mtcsa

[ugimports]

Not sure how that helps. The question is about whether or not the address on your DL is current, regardless of PO Box. There's no "stigma" that I'm aware of. If 911 Maple St is not your residence address and is the USPS address then all the same rules being discussed above apply. You still need to present docs showing your actual residence address unless you're going to lie on the 4473 and DROS and put 911 Maple St as your residence address.

[eltee]

You're right, it was my cop brain (30 yrs.) and not my FFL brain jumping the gun. Lots of folks, non gun buying related, have a POB but get hassled over cashing checks, renting stuff, etc. whereas a street address seems to have more clout.

My bad.