Does Suicide Bar Christians from Heaven?

[psssniper]

[dogcatcher]

These religious discussions really make me LOL. "If you commit suicide, will you still go to heaven?"

I thought the only "unforgivable sin" was rejecting god. What is that called, blasphemy? That said, isn't suicide covered by jesus's death on a cross. He died for all our sins, right? I was not aware that we had to "ask" for forgiveness to make it to heaven. I thought all we had to do was accept jesus as our personal lord a savior.

This is why after 15 years in private, religious school, I am a recovering christian. The mixed messages, hypocrisy, and reliance on the abandoning of reason were too much for me to accept.

Of course a "man made" religion would have a suicide clause to prevent you from seeing the pearly gates. If it didn't, all new converts might kill themselves to reach the better life and there goes your congregation.

[Not a Cook]

Don't want to turn this into an argument about Catholicism but the sacrament of penance is a Catholic thing, not a Biblical thing.

Repenting actually comes from the original Greek word in the Bible. It's a nautical term. "Metanoya" to turn the other direction.


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To piggyback, repentance is at the very heart of the gospel. John the Baptist's ministry revolved around calling men to repent. Christ also called men to repent and follow Him. Repentance is necessary for salvation. It involves turning away from sin and turning toward God in order to obey Him. Some verses to examine on this topic include the following: Matthew 3 and 4 (note esp. vs. 3:2,8,11 and 4:17); Matthew 9:13; Matthew 11:20-21; Matthew 12:41; Mark 1:4, 1:15, 2:17, and 6:12; Luke chapters 13 and 15; Acts 2:38, 5:31, 8:22, 11:15, 17:30; 2 Corinthians 7:10; and literally many dozens of other passages. As these verses (and others) indicate, God has called all mankind to repent and follow His Son.

[MotoriousRacing]

Don't want to turn this into an argument about Catholicism but the sacrament of penance is a Catholic thing, not a Biblical thing.

Repenting actually comes from the original Greek word in the Bible. It's a nautical term. "Metanoya" to turn the other direction.


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Go back to the Bible. I'm sure the Pope is a good dude but he's just another guy. Bible is Gods word.


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Don't worry, there's already plenty posts questioning Catholicism, even of the faithful.

You realize Jesus created just one church. He breathed the holy spirit into the apostles and gave them the authority to forgive sin (Penance). Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter and built THE church upon 'this rock' (Peter). There has been Apostolic succession ever since. The pope has a succession of hands all the way back to Jesus.

[MotoriousRacing]

Don't want to turn this into an argument about Catholicism but the sacrament of penance is a Catholic thing, not a Biblical thing.

Repenting actually comes from the original Greek word in the Bible. It's a nautical term. "Metanoya" to turn the other direction.


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Folks already have.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=14133696&postcount=32

The above post, made shortly after the Faith forum was created, seems to imply lesser feelings about those that are not Protestant. A few other members have also insinuated less of Catholics.

My world is not to judge.

[voodoomedman]

Don't worry, there's already plenty posts questioning Catholicism, even of the faithful.

You realize Jesus created just one church. He breathed the holy spirit into the apostles and gave them the authority to forgive sin (Penance). Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter and built THE church upon 'this rock' (Peter). There has been Apostolic succession ever since. The pope has a succession of hands all the way back to Jesus.

He poured out the Holy Spirit yes. But the penance thing comes from the council if Trent.

Bible days my salvation is by grace through faith alone. When Jesus is talking about forgiveness in John 20 it isn't giving out authority town to forgive sins. That was when his blood was she's on the cross. Our works are but dirty rags. If we could work our way towards forgiveness then why would he have suffered at the cross? I'm sure it wasn't for fun.


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[voodoomedman]

Folks already have.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=14133696&postcount=32

The above post, made shortly after the Faith forum was created, seems to imply lesser feelings about those that are not Protestant. A few other members have also insinuated less of Catholics.

My world is not to judge.

Not judging the person either. Just speaking Biblical truth. I didn't want to get the thread off topic and I also don't want to bash a brother but rather enlighten them. While I do find that the Catholic Church has many heretical teachings, I know that if they believe in Christ as their savior that they too will be in Heaven. I get to go for that reason and not because of the church I attend.


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[Fetterly Powders]

Have not read all the posts so do not know if I am repeating something [hopefully I am] but committing suicide does not allow God to work a plan in ones life. A 'bummer' may be a blessing in disguise. We just need to pray for the patience to see it through. I have seen people go through horrible stuff and say, 'cool, I wonder how God's gonna use this!'. That is faith that I wish I had constantly. Suicide would be a regret one would take to heaven.
Doug

[Doheny]

Does Suicide Bar Christians from Heaven?

Folks already have.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=14133696&postcount=32

The above post, made shortly after the Faith forum was created, seems to imply lesser feelings about those that are not Protestant. A few other members have also insinuated less of Catholics.

My world is not to judge.

That link goes to my post. I'm not sure if you're talking about my post or the one I quoted. If you're saying I was implying lesser feelings about those who are not Protestant, you're wrong. I was baptized Catholic, FWIW.



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[sharxbyte]

And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow--not even the powers of hell can separate us from God's love.

I cannot say whether someone will be barred from heaven due to suicide. The only confirmed example we have of someone losing their salvation is Judas Iscariot, and that may not have been for the act of suicide, but rather the condition of his heart.

I will say that its not impossible for them to be saved.

[eb47]

Romans 8:38 is a scripture used a lot. It's an awesome one too (like all scripture). Nothing can separate us from the love of God. For whatever reason when I hear/read this scripture, I'm reminded of the prodigal son. The only thing that separated him from his father was himself. Although the father loved the prodigal son, he did not force him to stay. The father gave the son free will. We see later that the son made a horrible mistake by leaving his father's house but we also see that it was and still is possible to leave the father. Yes, in the end the son returned to his father and his father drew near unto him as he drew near to the father's house. Food for thought, what if the son would have never returned unto his father? Would the son have perished in his mistakes?

[Lineman101]

I would say that Jesus said that *all* sins would be forgiven, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Which some would say that this blasphemy was committed by the religious leaders of His day and cannot be committed today; since they were eyewitnesses to Jesus' miracles and attributed them to Satan. Even so, many, including myself, hold that it is the constant willful rejection of Christ. To which the end will be eternal separation. There is no *forgiveness* for that. Even so, the Scripture teaches that one can be cutoff from Salvation in this life by the constant willful rejection of Christ (Proverbs 29:1).
God bless,
Lineman101

[MotoriousRacing]

That link goes to my post. I'm not sure if you're talking about my post or the one I quoted. If you're saying I was implying lesser feelings about those who are not Protestant, you're wrong. I was baptized Catholic, FWIW.

We can't assume that everyone here is on board with the Reformation.

I was speaking of your post. The way I read it is... that if you are not protestant, you are making mistakes in your faith.

A few others here have made their opinion likewise.

[Doheny]

You interpreted it wrong.


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[MotoriousRacing]

He poured out the Holy Spirit yes. But the penance thing comes from the council if Trent.

Bible days my salvation is by grace through faith alone. When Jesus is talking about forgiveness in John 20 it isn't giving out authority town to forgive sins. That was when his blood was she's on the cross. Our works are but dirty rags. If we could work our way towards forgiveness then why would he have suffered at the cross? I'm sure it wasn't for fun.

So then, John 20:22-23

If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them

To say Jesus did ALL the work for our salvation, that we ONLY need to believe and have faith, is diminishing the mission of Jesus. You will be judged on your works and why wouldn't you be? Salvation by faith alone is too easy; so you can break a Commandment, maybe on a regular basis, but it's all good since Jesus spilled his blood for us and you have faith? Good luck with that.

This is where we need confession/penance/repentance to re-establish our faith through grace.