Does Suicide Bar Christians from Heaven?

[Doheny]

It's a popular notion that if you kill yourself you won't go to heaven. However, that's generally a doctrine held by the Catholic Church and other Orthodox religions.

What say you? Do you think who Christians kills themselves will go to Heaven?

(the question assumes the person has accepted Christ, hence, they're a Christian.)

[American Samurai]

The real question should be if the person truly trusted in Jesus Christ alone for their Salvation why would they still off themselves? Christians are people of Hope even in miserable circumstances.

[Loubot10]

According to the movie Constantine, yes.

[American Samurai]

A Christian has been bought with a high price, the blood of Jesus Christ; a true Christian's life is no longer his own, but he is now a Son of the King.

Ecclesiastes 7
17 Be not overly wicked, neither be a fool. Why should you die before your time?

[kygen]

“What if a demon were to creep after you one night, in your loneliest loneliness, and say, 'This life which you live must be lived by you once again and innumerable times more; and every pain and joy and thought and sigh must come again to you, all in the same sequence. The eternal hourglass will again and again be turned and you with it, dust of the dust!' Would you throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse that demon? Or would you answer, 'Never have I heard anything more divine'?” -Friedrich Nietzsche

[Doheny]

The real question should be if the person truly trusted in Jesus Christ alone for their Salvation why would they still off themselves? Christians are people of Hope even in miserable circumstances.

Easy.

Plenty of Christians, like non Christians, have mental illness that affects their reasoning (that's just one example.)


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[Packy14]

The only sin that is unforgivable according to the Word is to deny Christ and his deity.

Mark 3:28-29 - 28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—

[American Samurai]

Easy.

Plenty of Christians, like non Christians, have mental illness that affects their reasoning (that's just one example.)


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The problem here is that sin blurs the lines of classification even with mental illness. Man's biggest problem is sin, and when I say this I include myself in the group as well, I have no inherent righteousness of my own.

[Barang]

If you conciously take your life much like killing somebody, what is the difference?
A christian who rape?
A christian who molest children?

Bottom line, If you abide in Christ Jesus, you will not do these things.

[Doheny]

If you conciously take your life much like killing somebody, what is the difference?
A christian who rape?
A christian who molest children?

Bottom line, If you abide in Christ Jesus, you will not do this things.

Not really...not so clear cut. Like I said, what about the mental illness example I used? Also, who determines the level of sin (murder vs rape vs cheating on your taxes) and where is that in the bible?

Even those who abide in Christ sin. Saying if you abide in Christ you will not do these things is a flawed argument.


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[Barang]

Not really...not so clear cut. Like I said, what about the mental illness example I used? Also, who determines the level of sin (murder vs rape vs cheating on your taxes) and where is that in the bible?

Even those who abide in Christ sin. Saying if you abide in Christ you will not do these things is a flawed argument.

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If it's mental illness then that's different.

In terms of level of sin, read Luke 12: 47-48, John 19: 11 and James 3:1. There is a degree of punishment.

I'm not saying those who abide in Jesus Christ no longer sin. They will continue to sin but the difference is "Practicing Sin Willfully".

[VictorFranko]

There was a Twilight Zone episode (or television show from that era) that dealt with suicide.
There was a cross Atlantic type passenger liner full of people and the ship never hit port.
The passengers all committed suicide and were bound for all eternity to sail endlessly on that ship.
Saw it as a child, believed it then, still do

[tgunsmoke]

If it's mental illness then that's different.

In terms of level of sin, read Luke 12: 47-48, John 19: 11 and James 3:1. There is a degree of punishment.

I'm not saying those who abide in Jesus Christ no longer sin. They will continue to sin but the difference is "Practicing Sin Willfully".

Agreed.

Mental illness is definitely a different situation. My best friend's dad was bipolar and committed suicide, two years ago this month actually. He was one of the most God-loving men I'd ever met.

[Timberwolf]

A friend of mine's boyfriend committed suicide and this question is the one that haunted her more than any other. As a practicing Catholic I believe that's its the one sin you can't be forgiven for you can't ask for forgiveness after you do the act. I would think, regardless of the different denominational doctrines, that the same would ring true.

[sl0re10]

If you conciously take your life much like killing somebody, what is the difference?
A christian who rape?
A christian who molest children?

Bottom line, If you abide in Christ Jesus, you will not do these things.

no diff. Its even in the word. Sui cide.

http://www.latinwordlist.com/latin-words/sui-30761170.htm

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/-cide