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  • #31
    PokerGun
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2014
    • 523

    No I did not have a bad experience with the church. My wife and I been going to this church for over 12 years. Every year we get a financial statement on how much church received and how much they gave to charity. They also include how much was the total payroll for the church employee including all the pastors but doesn't show the breakdown. I was just really curious because I thought it should be public knowledge.

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    • #32
      MrTokarev
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2012
      • 2790

      Originally posted by PokerGun
      No I did not have a bad experience with the church. My wife and I been going to this church for over 12 years. Every year we get a financial statement on how much church received and how much they gave to charity. They also include how much was the total payroll for the church employee including all the pastors but doesn't show the breakdown. I was just really curious because I thought it should be public knowledge.
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      • #33
        GunninIt
        Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 395

        Originally posted by PokerGun
        No I did not have a bad experience with the church. My wife and I been going to this church for over 12 years. Every year we get a financial statement on how much church received and how much they gave to charity. They also include how much was the total payroll for the church employee including all the pastors but doesn't show the breakdown. I was just really curious because I thought it should be public knowledge.
        Would it change your opinion of your pastor? The staff? Are they doing the jobs you believe they should be doing?

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        • #34
          BBJohnnyT
          Member
          • Mar 2012
          • 413

          Our church has an annual financial meeting for all members where all income and expenses for the year are presented, including pastor and staff salaries. This is basic stewardship and accountability. Outside of our church body, it's no one else's business.
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          • #35
            dozer wright
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2012
            • 2764

            I did some Refrigeration work in a Church once , the Pastor pulled up in Brand Cadillac Ctsv with dealer plates had more gold on than anyone I'd ever seen including a Rolex and probably a couple thousand dollar suit at minimum. He then proceeded to ask me to cut him a break on the bill . You now it's a church in a impoverished Community. I said Really? all.suprised like. Told him couldnt do anything about it talk to the owner.

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            • #36
              SlowDrifter
              Member
              • Apr 2018
              • 236

              Originally posted by BBJohnnyT
              Our church has an annual financial meeting for all members where all income and expenses for the year are presented, including pastor and staff salaries. This is basic stewardship and accountability. Outside of our church body, it's no one else's business.
              Similar here. Once a year there's a financial disclosure slipped into the Sunday Bulliten. Money in, money out, salaries, etc. It's discussed in more detail in an open meeting a few days later.

              Heck... until a few years ago the NFL operated as a non-profit. Goes to show that just because an entity is non-profit, doesn't mean its' employees have to be.
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              • #37
                gdr_11
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2008
                • 2523

                Pastors and churches are as varied as small businesses, corporations and schools. There are great, good, mediocre and deplorable like any other human led organizations. You cannot categorize any individual pastor or church by others you may encounter; all are different and each required different leadership.

                Many small church pastors work second jobs in order to make ends meet. Some mega church pastors receive real large salaries and huge donations from wealthy members of the congregation. Neither has anything to do with the other. Church boards, which are made up of congregants, set the salaries for all church employees. As the CEO of the church, the pastor is paid according to what each board deems appropriate.

                The last large church I was a member of had 5,000 members, a K-12 school and a large staff of pastors, teachers and employees as well as contracts to operate and maintain a physical plant of 100 acres and several hundred thousand square feet. The senior pastor made in the low six figures and was given a new luxury car for his use each year by a dealer who attended the church. I also know that he donated more than 25% of his salary back to the church. Given that, he made far less than the high school principals in the area even though his portfolio was larger and more comp!ex. All salary information was included in the financial statements provided to each church member. This is consistent with most larger churches I am familiar with.
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                • #38
                  PokerGun
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 523

                  It looks like different churches has different policy as far as the leadership income.

                  Like I said, I'm just curious whether or not they should be public knowledge or at lease church members knowledge.

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                  • #39
                    damon1272
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 4857

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                    • #40
                      salsa steve
                      Junior Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 56

                      I’m sure they include all of their “love offerings” they receive throughout the year haha. Also, the housing allowance isn’t taxable if it’s reasonable and used for housing and utilities.

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                      • #41
                        tsmithson
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2016
                        • 1580

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                        • #42
                          DevilDawgJJ
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 1718

                          Originally posted by tsmithson
                          The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints has a unpaid ministry. Bishops and Stake Presidents work a regular job or business and do all church work for FREE.
                          That’s around 2 million members and leaders who receive no pay for their service. All of the bishops and higher pay 10% of their income to the church and put in countless hours of service for free.

                          WHY?

                          Because it’s the True Church Of Jesus Christ.
                          Careful. Some here think service to God IS a JOB, therefore require monetary compensation.


                          LDS has...like billions in assets and they don't pay out people's tithings. How can they do it and other denominations require a salary?
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                          • #43
                            d0091sa
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2019
                            • 33

                            Originally posted by DevilDawgJJ
                            Careful. Some here think service to God IS a JOB, therefore require monetary compensation.


                            LDS has...like billions in assets and they don't pay out people's tithings. How can they do it and other denominations require a salary?
                            Like tsmothson said....

                            It's the true church of Jesus Christ... As in the only church that should be followed.

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                            • #44
                              M1NM
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 7966

                              House usually owned by church (or a member who gives you cheap rent) - you get fired you move.

                              Lots of kids - is this is a big family or pedifile perk?

                              Trips around the world - who pays? Most churches are paying you to be there not traveling.

                              No taxes???? Yeah the church doesn't pay tax on the building or income but the preacher does pay income tax on their salary and that house. If you're not paying market value rent the difference becomes income and taxable.

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                              • #45
                                damon1272
                                Veteran Member
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 4857

                                Originally posted by d0091sa
                                Like tsmothson said....

                                It's the true church of Jesus Christ... As in the only church that should be followed.

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