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[tsmithson]

Yet mormons are still under Aaronic law and therefore are not covered by Grace but buy the law.


Jesus Christ Brought Grace that saves.

If you follow the law, you are bound to the law, and will be judged by the law. Therefore if you break one portion of the law you have broken all.





Proper priesthood does not come with the law as mormons practice.

Back on subject. Televangelists make a bad name for all Christians, because they always seem to be begging for money and living a life of luxury.
There is nothing wrong with living a life of luxury, but to be using Christs name to gain wealth is wrong.

If you have been taught these things about the true Church OF Christ. You have been misinformed.
The Melchizedek Priesthood has been restored to the Church and is the higher priesthood. You also have a misunderstanding with Justice, Mercy, Grace and the atonement as they relate to living the higher law of Heaven as Christ has commanded.

[tsmithson]

The only priesthood that has any biblical authority is the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:5-9). When Jesus (God with us) came in flesh to this earth, he came to fulfill the law and usher in a new standard; that standard is his blood as the payment for our sins. Jesus is our high priest, there is no longer an earthly office of prophet, the revelation is Christ himself. The opinion of man is just that, opinion, and if that interpretation doesn’t square with scripture (The Bible) it is false teaching. There is no revelation from man that supersedes God’s word (the Bible) and God’s word (The Bible) is sufficient for all things.

Now, back to the question: the Apostle Paul taught that even though he chose to maintain his own income (tent making) that he did not mandate that for all pastors/elders/shepherds. Even took help from some churches at times.

Pastors salaries should be known by the local church, no need to publish publicly. A pastors salary should be enough to allow him to focus whatever time/energy is necessary to shepherd his flock. Televangelist Pastors are a special kind of wretched. If you think you need a jet or multiple $100k cars, you’re in the wrong line of work. A pastor should be setting the example for stewarding the resources he’s been given, and in my opinion, a cadre of vehicles that screams extravagance does not communicate good stewardship.

The New Testament is clear in regards to priesthood authority in several places.
I’ll just give you one.
Hebrews 5:4
And no man take this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

There is always a test with each dispensation.
When Moses led the children of Israel out of bondage many had a hard time believing he was a prophet with new laws to keep.(they all had faith in Abraham). When Christ came with new laws the people all had faith in Moses.
My point is there is alway a test of faith.
Christ had many followers until he told them that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood. That principle was against the teachings of the Old Testament. They all departed but the twelve. Test of faith?
Christ asked his disciples who am I? Peter spoke up and said thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus said blessed art thou for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you but your Father in Heaven. (He received revelation)
Revelation is the only way to know the truth and The True Church.

I am not putting down your understanding of the Bible, truth or your beliefs.
But revelation and the Holy Ghost bear witness of the truth.
And many in this dispensation point to the last dispensation in faith and walk away from Christ in this dispensation.

[tsmithson]

[The War Wagon]

It's common knowledge for our (LCMS) Pastors. It's voted on by the whole congregation, so everyone knows it.

[colossians323]

Wrong, your Christ of the bible has satan as his brother. I would not want to be one who is worshipping Lucifers brother, but to each their own

The true church has a Christ who is the creator of satan, of everything else, including all universes.
If you want to get in this discussion you should head over to the Discussions of Faith Forum.

Quit derailing the thread

[colossians323]

Bishops and higher all pay the standard 10% that all faithful members pay. I have no idea of their extra donations.

Again,

Matthew 6:2-4

23 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

There is not "standard" 10%, Old testament giving was way more than that and new testament giving says

2 Corinthians 9:7-8

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.

Standard giving sounds like you are compulsed to give. I would hate to go to a church that practices "standard" giving. I would much rather go to a church that emulates what the bible teaches

[tsmithson]

Again,



There is not "standard" 10%, Old testament giving was way more than that and new testament giving says



Standard giving sounds like you are compulsed to give. I would hate to go to a church that practices "standard" giving. I would much rather go to a church that emulates what the bible teaches

[tsmithson]

Wrong, your Christ of the bible has satan as his brother. I would not want to be one who is worshipping Lucifers brother, but to each their own

The true church has a Christ who is the creator of satan, of everything else, including all universes.
If you want to get in this discussion you should head over to the Discussions of Faith Forum.

Quit derailing the thread

You are very confused- let me help.
God the Father had spirit children in Heaven, Jesus Christ being the first. Jesus Christ as a spirit child of God the father and under his Fathers direction created the Universe including this earth. Jesus was also Chosen by his Father to be the Savior and complete the Atonement.1/3 of Gods spirit children rebelled and were cast out of Heaven (Fallen angels) damned from further progression, miserable forever they seek to make us miserable like them. They will never receive a physical body or have families. We (you and I) are literal spirit children of God the Father, we lived with God as spirit children before we were born.We are in a progression to become like our Father (the God of the universe). Jesus Christ showing us how by example- God the Perfected Father of the Universe and Marry gave Jesus a physical body for his Spirit. Jesus lived a perfect life then completed the Atonement and died. His Spirit left his body for three days(NT- says he was in the center of the earth-Matthew 12:40). After 3 days he was Resurrected-his Spirit returned to his body never to be separated again(Perfected like his Father) The righteous from Adam to Christ were resurrected at that time also. We were spirits, given a body in this life, we will die and will be resurrected to our perfect body and receive a degree of glory according to our love and faithfulness to God the Father(like the Path Jesus took). Doing all our good works in the name of Christ, because of his Atonement we can return to our Father Clean and pure. We will always worship God our Father and Jesus Christ throughout eternity. Jesus Christ taught the pattern- we pray to the Father. Our Father in Heaven and end it in the name of Jesus Christ.

Derail?
I’ll make it clear- there is no paid ministry at this time. Pastors of other churches should hold a regular job to support themselves. Conduct the service Sunday and help others in the church as prudent and time allows. If your not sure how to do this ask any of the thousand bishops in The True Church Of Christ.

Let me invite all to pray and ask God, with real intent if the things I wrote are true and that the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is the True Church Of Christ on the earth Today. Or Read The Book Of Mormon and pray if it is True.
The Holy Ghost came upon me and let me know it is TRUE.

[colossians323]

My use of the word “standard” was a poor choice of words. Tithe means 10% and has been practiced in that amount probably back to Adam but for sure back to Abraham.

Obvious you don't understand the bible
Old testament giving went like this

The three different types are as follows:

1. The Levitical, or sacred tithe (Num. 18: 21, 24).

2. The tithe of the feasts (Deut. 14:22-27).

3. The tithe for the poor (Deut. 14:28, 29).

The Jewish people had to pay all of these. So by your defiition Mormons standard tithe is a 30% tithe?

Which leads me back to.

Matthew 6:2-4

2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

and

2 Corinthians 9:7-8

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.

Let Gods word be your guide, since this is the only guide we have. No need to talk about a standard 30 percent that mormons must give, it sounds again that mormons are compulsed to give the standard 30 percent as practiced in the old testament.

[colossians323]

You are very confused- let me help.
God the Father had spirit children in Heaven, Jesus Christ being the first. Jesus Christ as a spirit child of God the father and under his Fathers direction created the Universe including this earth. Jesus was also Chosen by his Father to be the Savior and complete the Atonement.1/3 of Gods spirit children rebelled and were cast out of Heaven (Fallen angels) damned from further progression, miserable forever they seek to make us miserable like them. They will never receive a physical body or have families. We (you and I) are literal spirit children of God the Father, we lived with God as spirit children before we were born.We are in a progression to become like our Father (the God of the universe). Jesus Christ showing us how by example- God the Perfected Father of the Universe and Marry gave Jesus a physical body for his Spirit. Jesus lived a perfect life then completed the Atonement and died. His Spirit left his body for three days(NT- says he was in the center of the earth-Matthew 12:40). After 3 days he was Resurrected-his Spirit returned to his body never to be separated again(Perfected like his Father) The righteous from Adam to Christ were resurrected at that time also. We were spirits, given a body in this life, we will die and will be resurrected to our perfect body and receive a degree of glory according to our love and faithfulness to God the Father(like the Path Jesus took). Doing all our good works in the name of Christ, because of his Atonement we can return to our Father Clean and pure. We will always worship God our Father and Jesus Christ throughout eternity. Jesus Christ taught the pattern- we pray to the Father. Our Father in Heaven and end it in the name of Jesus Christ.

Not confused at all. the one who is not using Gods word seems confused, and I am simply trying to direct you to Gods word, not my word. You seem to only have your word and rely on what you say and think. Here is what Gods word says on this subject.

John 1:1-5
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.......................
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Here we see that Jesus was there in the beginning (bolded to help you understand His word), Jesus was the beginning, and Jesus created all things and all universes.
Either the Bible is right when it says Jesus created all things and NOTHING was made without him, or the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong it would be your due diligence to show us where the bible is wrong, wouldn't it?
If indeed the bible is right, and Jesus created "everything" we see He was the Creator of Lucifer from this simple to understand passage (no need for use of hermeneutics), thus showing if you believe the mormon narrative you are worshiping the brother of lucifer, where as Christianity worships the creator of all universes.

Derail?
I’ll make it clear- there is no paid ministry at this time. Pastors of other churches should hold a regular job to support themselves. Conduct the service Sunday and help others in the church as prudent and time allows. If your not sure how to do this ask any of the thousand bishops in The True Church Of Christ.

I have no problem with this other than it sounds like your teachers don't understand the bible, or basic hermeneutics.

Let me invite all to pray and ask God, with real intent if the things I wrote are true and that the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is the True Church Of Christ on the earth Today. Or Read The Book Of Mormon and pray if it is True.
The Holy Ghost came upon me and let me know it is TRUE.

I have prayed for understanding, been discipled and realize that, He will reveal to you that Christ is the creator of all, and not simply the brother of Satan, as well as help you understand His word.
Too many want to make God in their own image rather than to understand the main and plain things written in His word.
You my friend are an example of someone who wants to be a god of their own world, and doesn't understand that their is only one God of all universes, and one Creator of all universes, and his name is Jesus


We all choose our own path, and all I can do is share the truth of His word, the decision to accept it or deny it is yours. its not what I say, it is the simple truth of what Gods word says.

Merry Christmas

[-hanko]

Like tsmothson said....

It's the true church of Jesus Christ... As in the only church that should be followed.

Another lie spread by others to keep people from finding the True Church Of Christ. Jesus Christ is ALIVE right now and capable of adding more principles or modern Scriptures as he will.

It is another lie that the heavens are closed and there is no new revelation or scripture.
There is a living Prophet on the earth today as was in the Old Testament. Russell Nelson is the living Prophet OF God on the earth right NOW.
I invite you to look him up and listen to a Real Prophet. He has seen Jesus Christ as many in our church have. I have seen Jesus Christ and this is his Church and Prophet.

If you are following and testifying as to what you find in both the old and new testaments, I'd simply refer you to the last chapter of Revelations...

"18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

"19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

[d0091sa]

Only one problem.... Nothing was added to the Bible.

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[sandiego67]

Nascar drivers don't reveal their wages either.

Several years ago it was a big deal because Jeff Gordon was going to have to make his income known during his divorce to Brooke Sealey. She wanted half of his assets. They must have worked something out because I don't remember ever hearing the dirty details.

Really?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2019/06/30/nascars-highest-paid-drivers-2019/#6abe14674741

[-hanko]

Back on topic...pastors' salaries are not enumerated publicly, but if a member of the church body needs to know that info for whatever reason, they'll be told. Our budget simply shows pastors' salaries as a total, the budget is voted on yearly by the body, and they'll see the proposed annual budget a month or so before the vote. The members are also advised quarterly as to actual v. budgeted spending.

[-hanko]

Only one problem.... Nothing was added to the Bible.

My bad, I guess. I was thinking of Joseph Smith and golden tablets, etc.