LASD and the .40 s&w

[retired]

My station (Walnut) was the last to receive the Berettas and I too, like Ron, used the 9mm until I retired in 2003. I carry the same Winchester T ammo that he is referring to in my XDSC 9mm, which is my daily ccw.

[Morning]

Thanks everyone for the answers

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I think LASD issue M&P 9mm for their academy, but I am sure you can switch to40 cal after you graduate from the academy.

Wrong.

[TrailerparkTrash]

.40 and LASD???? Neeeeever gonna happen. Who cares though, the current issued 9mm bullet is the best. It works beautifully. Ya just gotta hit the vitals.

I prefer the .45 on duty and a smaller 9mm off duty. Then again, my "flavor" of the month changes routinely.

[Ron-Solo]

Regarding the .40, it isn't a magic round. My son-in-laws department uses the .40 and they hit a cop killer with two in the head. One round was at close range and right between the eyes. Suspect is still alive.

There are no magic bullets out there.

[Morning]

Regarding the .40, it isn't a magic round. My son-in-laws department uses the .40 and they hit a cop killer with two in the head. One round was at close range and right between the eyes. Suspect is still alive.

There are no magic bullets out there.

Heh, true true. Probably the ego side of me is curious, would be nice to have that option, more of a psychological effect if anything.

[Ron-Solo]

From the LASD Manual of Policy and Procedure

As of May 4th, 2011

LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT

AUTHORIZED WEAPONS

AUTOLOADERS – 9 mm ONDUTY

Beretta 92F series - including compact and Vertec models

(92F, 92FC, 92FM, 92F Vertec)

Beretta 90-TWO

Heckler & Koch P2000 LEM [double action only trigger]

SIG SAUER P226 - with double action / single action (DA/SA) trigger. Approved models include: P226, P226 Blackwater, P226 Elite, P226 Elite Stainless, P226 Navy, P226 Platinum Elite, P226 SCT, P226 Tactical, P226 Two-tone

SIG SAUER P229 - with double action / single action (DA/SA) trigger.

Approved models include P229, P229 Elite, P229Elite Stainless, P229 Platinum Elite, P229 SCT, P229 Two-tone


Smith and Wesson M&P 9MM pistol (17 round magazine) without magazine disconnect and without manual thumb safety.


AUTOLOADERS – 9 mm OFFDUTY

All Smith & Wesson EXCEPT Sigma Series, SW99

Approved models must have:

• Decocking/safety lever must be on the slide

• Must have external hammer

• Must function like the Beretta 92F – double & single action trigger

Heckler & Koch P7M8,

Heckler & Koch P7M13

Heckler & Koch P9S

Heckler & Koch P2000SK LEM [double action only trigger]

Beretta Cougar 8000F

Smith and Wesson M&P 9MM compact (12 round magazine) without magazine disconnect and without manual thumb safety.

REVOLVERS

Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Colt

• Five or six shot

• 2" to 6" barrel

• 357 frames o.k., MUST shoot .38 ammo only

AUTOLOADERS -- .45 ON DUTY

Smith & Wesson 4506, 4566, 457, & Smith & Wesson pistols with:

• Decocking/safety lever must be on the slide

• Must have external hammer

• Must function like the Beretta 92F – double & single action trigger

• Magazine capacity of at least 7 rounds

Heckler & Koch USP45 - Variant 1 or 2

Heckler & Koch USP45 Compact

Ruger P90

Beretta Cougar 8045F

SIG SAUER P220 - double action / single action (DA/SA) trigger & magazine capacity of at least 7 rounds.

Approved models include: P220,P220 Beavertail,P220 Carry, P220 Carry Elite, P220 Carry Elite Stainless, P220 Carry two-tone, P220 Carry Equinox, P220 Combat, P220 Elite, P220 Elite Stainless, P220 Equinox, P220 Match, P220 Platinum Elite, P220 Two-tone

AUTOLOADERS OFF DUTY 45 ACP

Smith & Wesson 4513TSW, CS45 & Smith & Wesson pistols with:

• Decocking/safety lever must be on the slide

• Must have external hammer

• Must function like the Beretta 92F – double & single action trigger

• Magazine capacity of less than 7 rounds

Beretta Cougar 8045FC



According to a friend, they are looking at the Ruger LC9 as a possible back up/off duty gun.

[cantcme]

I started there with a revolver and then went to the Beretta. The Beretta was extremely reliable and plenty accurate. It's a big heavy gun though.

Anything is better than the 38 special I started with.

[Ron-Solo]

I shot my revolver much better than I ever shot the Beretta, but that did not diminish my love for the 92F.

I now own both of my county issue weapons.

[SoCalDep]

Ron-Solo,

I sent you a PM.

Both my Beretta and my M&P have been very reliable. With proper lubrication, the Beretta is, in my opinion, more reliable overall, and more accurate. The M&P is still very reliable, much more reliable without proper maintenance, easier to use (simpler), fast shooting, and plenty accurate. I came on after revolvers so I never really trained with them and have always been more accurate with autos.

As a general rule, academy recruits from participating agencies using .40s, particularly Glock 23s and to a slightly lesser extent the 22s, have a harder time with trigger control. They do alright, but it makes a difference. Those that use the 9mm Glocks don't seem to have the same issues at all. Of course, there are always those who are on it and the snappy recoil doesn't seem to phase them.

[SoCalDep]

Ron-Solo,

I sent you a PM.

Both my Beretta and my M&P have been very reliable. With proper lubrication, the Beretta is, in my opinion, more reliable overall, and more accurate. The M&P is still very reliable, much more reliable without proper maintenance, easier to use (simpler), fast shooting, and plenty accurate. I came on after revolvers so I never really trained with them and have always been more accurate with autos.

As a general rule, academy recruits from participating agencies using .40s, particularly Glock 23s and to a slightly lesser extent the 22s, have a harder time with trigger control. They do alright, but it makes a difference. Those that use the 9mm Glocks don't seem to have the same issues at all. Of course, there are always those who are on it and the snappy recoil doesn't seem to phase them.

[Ron-Solo]

My son in law is an officer with Glendale, Arizona PD. He was issued a Glock 22 for his duty weapon and has a Glock 19 as his off duty gun. He prefers the 19 and shoots it much better.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Regarding the .40, it isn't a magic round. My son-in-laws department uses the .40 and they hit a cop killer with two in the head. One round was at close range and right between the eyes. Suspect is still alive...

Ron, the suspect is still alive because the "40" is just a "baby 10mm"

[nosuchagency]

ron/scd, regarding the 92's, do the armorers switch out any of the springs to mitigate accelerated wear associated with the ranger t rounds; in particular, increasing the recoil spring #? if so, do you know what # spring they swap in? also, do they allow swapping out mainspring (by armorer)? thx for info.

[SoCalDep]

ron/scd, regarding the 92's, do the armorers switch out any of the springs to mitigate accelerated wear associated with the ranger t rounds; in particular, increasing the recoil spring #? if so, do you know what # spring they swap in? also, do they allow swapping out mainspring (by armorer)? thx for info.

Duty guns actually digest very few duty rounds. In fact, it is possible for a deputy to never actually fire a duty round as all qualification and training is done with training ammunition.

A few years ago there was a big maintenance program where springs were changed and parts updated. The pistols were marked after the update was completed.

I don't know the specifics of the spring weight, but I believe they use factory standard parts. Per policy no modifications of the pistol are permitted, and this would include swapping of the mainspring.