On 60 Minutes last night

[Jack L]

Watched this last night on 60 Minutes. Another thing to worry about. I have to say it was troubling to digest. I had no clue about this until last night.

A look at the "sovereign citizen" movement

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/15/60minutes/main20062666.shtml

[fullrearview]

Yeah, been studying them for a while now... I suspect there are quite a few on this very board as well.

[gorn5150]

Those guys have been around forever. They were real bad in the Bay Area in the late 70's to mid 80's. Very unreasonable people to deal with and dangerous as all hell. The groups I had dealings with all left the State for Idaho and Kentucky. If you ever run into any of them watch your back.

[TRICKSTER]

Stopped one for a infraction in the mid 90s. Started with the sovereign citizen, you and the courts don't have any authority over me stuff and refused to sign the cite. After explaining that he could either go to jail now, or walk away after signing a piece of paper that he claimed had no authority over him anyway, he signed the cite.

[Falconis]

Wonder what he said when said cite turned into a warrant.

[mike_the_wino]

Not LEO but that was a great segment. Sucks that those guys are out there and I hope none of you have a run in with these wingnuts. Your job is tough enough as it is.

[Midian]

capitis diminutio maxima

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. I think they have real balls, trying to unscrew themselves from the system. Props to 'em.

There's no reason these people should be demonized for standing up for individual liberty. This is an obvious hit piece so you won't try anything like this at home. Then again, people believed the already dead Bin Laden was killed on May first then thrown over the side of a boat, so they'll believe anything a three letter news agency says.

[Mr.1904]

Holy ****!

That stories insane. Where do these people come from?

[fullrearview]

capitis diminutio maxima

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. I think they have real balls, trying to unscrew themselves from the system. Props to 'em.

There's no reason these people should be demonized for standing up for individual liberty. This is an obvious hit piece so you won't try anything like this at home. Then again, people believed the already dead Bin Laden was killed on May first then thrown over the side of a boat, so they'll believe anything a three letter news agency says.

Hold on a second... Standing up for liberty is one thing... This is off the reservation. Youtube vids inbound.

[fullrearview]

There are more, but I have to leave right now.

[mike_the_wino]

capitis diminutio maxima
There's no reason these people should be demonized for standing up for individual liberty.

Standing up for your rights is all well and good but this goes a bit out of bounds. The no-driver's license thing is silly. You should be a registered, card-carrying citizen to operate a motor vehicle.

This is an obvious hit piece so you won't try anything like this at home.

One should hope not. Taking a drive with your teenage son and an AK is going to end badly....and in this case tragically. I feel sorry for the kid because he didn't know better. He should have but he didn't. And those two patrol men didn't deserve to be gunned down on the side of the road like that. But for one lunatic those three lives would have gone a different way.

Then again, people believed the already dead Bin Laden was killed on May first then thrown over the side of a boat, so they'll believe anything a three letter news agency says.

wha?!?!? How does bin Laden fit in with 'sovereign citizens'? Are you saying sovereign citizens = al Qaeda? If so, that's about the most sense I have seen on this board.

[Midian]

Perhaps an alternative to the news agencies finding the most wingnutty versions of this movement for public roll out (again, so you won't try anything like this at home, have your friends laugh at you, and just play guitar hero and be a good serf) would be to research the movement for yourself. Look at the funny hippie! He doesn't dress in dockers like me!

People will believe anything if they're told it often enough: Magic people in the middle east 2000 years ago. Flying Saucers. Planes that pulverize and vanish when they hit the pentagon at 500 MPH. Scary guys with beards that hate your freedoms. Fluoride in the water is good for your child's teeth. Flu shots. Microwaving your food.

Stands to reason the idea of individual liberty and divorcing yourself from the control grid should be demonized for public consumption since other erroneous claims are so easily accepted.

Just sayin'.

[TRICKSTER]

Holy ****!

That stories insane. Where do these people come from?

Some of them are right here on Calguns. Usually in the 2nd or OT forums. Sometimes they even troll here in the LEO forum.

[cruising7388]

capitis diminutio maxima

Once you see it, you can't unsee it. I think they have real balls, trying to unscrew themselves from the system. Props to 'em.

There's no reason these people should be demonized for standing up for individual liberty.

Those who confuse standing up for liberty with killing peace officers and politicians they disagree with are, well, confused.

[5shot]

Some of them are right here on Calguns. Usually in the 2nd or OT forums. Sometimes they even troll here in the LEO forum.

Yep, and it looks like more will be coming out of the woodwork.