WHy are people so paranoid?

[fabguy]

" you have the right to remain silent. If you give up that right anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

I have a lot of respect and appreciation for the police. BUT, if it looks like you might have an issue... shut up.
take care
Mike

TRUE, but if you do NOTHING wrong, then what can be used against you ? Clarify please. (Honestly, I'm not being sarcastic)

[Mikeb]

Fabguy, What I was trying to say is "you have the right to remain silent". I live in the hood and I have called the police many times. I may be the only one in the neighborhood who will. I always go out and talk to them. I thank them for their service when I'm done. In a situation where there might be an issue I think it would be prudent to remain silent, and talk to a lawyer if you find yourself charged.
Loose lips sink ships
Mike

[yzErnie]

Case in point:

This last week we put one of our deputies on Administrative Leave as a result of some actions on his part. The person who brought those actions to our attention was another Deputy. No details but his actions will probably result in a very substantial discipline or termination.

The station I am current assigned is by far the most closely knit group of employees, both civilian and sworn, that I have ever worked at in my career. When a bad apple surfaces we have an expectation (and they know it) that we be advised. The reporting deputy has not taken any flack from his peers and that pleases us in supervision.

[CSACANNONEER]

Your assertion that LEO's. "Keep their numbers up even if it means ignoring a fact or bending the rules"

Is in fact insulting, and just plain wrong. With ZERO experience in such matters your opinions are just based only on rumor and innuendo. Not any facts.

Really, I pointed out the fact that many people in different carreers are evaluated, in part, by there production numbers. I guess I was wrong. It is now apparent to me that such a thing could never take place in any LEA and no LEO would ever try to make their life easier by being lazy or bending a rule. Your have opened my eyes. I now know that ALL LEOs always set a perfect example.

Knock off your sarcasm or take it elsewhere. You seem to have forgotten the rules of this forum.

If you look at my assertion, I did not single out LEOs. I tried to point out the fact that "numbers" matter in all jobs/carrers. Again, I'm sorry that I was not able to communicate my ideas better.

As I said in your earlier post, this is a leo thread in a leo forum. You are being disingenuous if you expect any leo to believe you are not singling out leos.

It is not just defending the rights. It seems like there is hatred toward the police/government. That is the problem. Rights usually are associated with responsibilities, also, the way I learned it.

Yep, this is something that everyone should always keep in mind. I've seen to many average citizens and people in positions of authority refuse to take any responsibility for their actions yet, they always demand their "rights". I really like this quote!

See what it is like for them to deal with the general public,

I think that this is a big part of the problem. Typically, LEOs will deal with less than 5% of the "general public" on a regular basis. Unfortunately, this small percentage is not typical of the entire "general public". Instead, it is made up primarily of the lowest of the low. Since many LEOs spend most of their work days primarily with criminals and other LEOs, some do end up a bit bias against non-LEOs.

[fabguy]

Fabguy, What I was trying to say is "you have the right to remain silent". I live in the hood and I have called the police many times. I may be the only one in the neighborhood who will. I always go out and talk to them. I thank them for their service when I'm done. In a situation where there might be an issue I think it would be prudent to remain silent, and talk to a lawyer if you find yourself charged.
Loose lips sink ships
Mike

I see what you mean now. Good job.

Case in point:

This last week we put one of our deputies on Administrative Leave as a result of some actions on his part. The person who brought those actions to our attention was another Deputy. No details but his actions will probably result in a very substantial discipline or termination.

The station I am current assigned is by far the most closely knit group of employees, both civilian and sworn, that I have ever worked at in my career. When a bad apple surfaces we have an expectation (and they know it) that we be advised. The reporting deputy has not taken any flack from his peers and that pleases us in supervision.

That is how it should be, no matter what the trade is. GREAT JOB!!

[fabguy]

CSACANNONEER, I agree with you.

[D Day Dog]

They made an effort to contact the det. Now the ball's in his court. That being said, the kid is a minor and you should not allow contact with a minor to go unsupervised. I work in a criminal defense firm, and minors DO NOT understand their rights.

Please don't believe for a sec. that I'm against LE. Without law enforcement, we would be killing each other in the streets.

D Day

[bohoki]

TRUE, but if you do NOTHING wrong, then what can be used against you ? Clarify please. (Honestly, I'm not being sarcastic)

do you know every law everywhere?

[fabguy]

do you know every law everywhere?

lol... no why ? Do you ? if so maybe we can sit and you can explain everyone to me so I can understand better.

[big red]

you know when the general public becomes paranoid about their police there is usually a reason and it is not something the general public did to cause it. Instead of excuses and hurt feelings the cops should be trying to win back the confidence of these citizens and figuring out what it is that caused the general public to become paranoid in the first place. Is you behavior as a cop on the streets that bad. No one forced anyone to put the badge on and no one said the job would be easy. In this thread I have been seeing a lot of complaints and a lot of excuses but nothing really constructive about how cops are going to turn things around. Someone complained about the second amendment thread being anti -cop. But isn't that their right if it involves the second amendment and what was felt to be questionable behavior by a law enforcement officer in that area? Maybe if police officers presented a cleaner more helpful picture of themselves with nothing hidden behind confidential statements in lawsuits and "This is a personal issue and we can't comment on it" type statements you would not have paranoid citizenry. There are individual cops that I respect highly and they often speak ill of comrades who seem to get off with a slap on the wrist time and time again. Many of these are retiring because they do not like working with the men they are assigned to now and cannot do anything about. Maybe the good officers should take charge of their unions and hold everyone to the standards expected of them by the public who pays their salaries.

[granelli]

I think it goes both ways, they are those police officers who are over stepping there boundaries, and citizens who are overly defensive. I personally know a former "head of internal affairs" at a local pd, and some of the thing I've heard are pretty ridiculous. A lot of stuff between officers is racial and many only protect there own group of officers. A lot of good evidence gets hushed and good people get the short stick. As far as Oakland goes, he's quoted as saying "I don't know if I would even call it law enforcement anymore." Everything is political.

However even when I have been in the wrong, a little courtesy to the officer will go a long way and I have been cut breaks after accepting what I did and respecting the officer/s.

[Jonathan Doe]

The departments' settling with the law suits is not an indication of the LEOs' wrong doing. Too many times, departments settle the law suits because it is cheaper to settle than fighting it. I always feel upset everytime I hear about the settlements.

[yzErnie]

you know when the general public becomes paranoid about their police there is usually a reason and it is not something the general public did to cause it. Instead of excuses and hurt feelings the cops should be trying to win back the confidence of these citizens and figuring out what it is that caused the general public to become paranoid in the first place. Is you behavior as a cop on the streets that bad. No one forced anyone to put the badge on and no one said the job would be easy. In this thread I have been seeing a lot of complaints and a lot of excuses but nothing really constructive about how cops are going to turn things around. Someone complained about the second amendment thread being anti -cop. But isn't that their right if it involves the second amendment and what was felt to be questionable behavior by a law enforcement officer in that area? Maybe if police officers presented a cleaner more helpful picture of themselves with nothing hidden behind confidential statements in lawsuits and "This is a personal issue and we can't comment on it" type statements you would not have paranoid citizenry. There are individual cops that I respect highly and they often speak ill of comrades who seem to get off with a slap on the wrist time and time again. Many of these are retiring because they do not like working with the men they are assigned to now and cannot do anything about. Maybe the good officers should take charge of their unions and hold everyone to the standards expected of them by the public who pays their salaries.

So, what you are saying is that the mending of the public's ill will towards LEOs falls completely on the LEOs shoulders? I just can't buy into that logic.

[The Director]

lol... no why ? Do you ? if so maybe we can sit and you can explain everyone to me so I can understand better.

You sir, have a very poor understanding of your Miranda rights and how they relate back to an investigation. You've been given the right to remain silent to protect yourself.

Saying something like "If you haven't done anything wrong, why not talk?" might be fine in some situations....in others, you might just talk yourself into a crime you either didn't commit, or a crime you DID commit that you didn't know was a crime.

There are numerous videos out there on the internet featuring police officers and prosecutors lecturing on the topic of self incrimination. Watch them!

[chickenfried]

TRUE, but if you do NOTHING wrong, then what can be used against you ? Clarify please. (Honestly, I'm not being sarcastic)