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  • Jwood562
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 1271

    WHy are people so paranoid?

    I ran accross this thread in a another section.



    it just amazes me at most of the responses.

    "the dective is fishing"

    "Never talk to the police"

    etc etc.

    whats the deal. do you guys ever encounter this. I only find it on calguns. I rarely ever find anything like this in the field but man it started with the thread about people refusing to show their wal mart recipts to the senior citizen checking them at the door and now this. tin foil hats or what do you guys think?

    if they did nothing wrong why are we (LEOs) precieved as such bad people. If they did nothing to put them in jail...they wont end up in jail right?
  • #2
    SoCalDep
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 815

    It's everywhere. Some is paranoia, some is the result of the media, some is the result of bad experiences from themselves, friends, etc., some is because they are bad themselves and refuse to accept blame.

    There are many reasons for this attitude. Some are justified, some are not.

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    • #3
      RangemasterP226
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 941

      Here is my response in that thread..........



      I am always surprised at how anti law & order this board is.

      Lets protect the criminal, lets help him to avoid answering for his crimes.

      What if he broke into YOUR house, would you still want his parents to cover for him, invoke is right to remain silent, or ignore the detective?

      What if he stole YOUR car?

      What if he had sex with YOUR underage daughter?

      What if he stole property from YOUR business?

      NO, the police may not be HIS friend, but they are the VICTIM'S friend. Does no one here get that??????

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      • #4
        big red
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 1234

        Maybe it is in part due to the change in uniform color. If Black is evil in guns is it evil in police uniforms as well. And many people have seen cops use their authority in a questionable manner and threaten people with it rather than reason with them. There are a lot of good cops out there who are tarnished with the bad actions of a few. But as long as you allow those bad cops to exist among your ranks you will have a citizenry that will not trust you. Add to it the all black storm trooper look such as the Sacrmento Sheriff's have and people tend to avoid you. I was taught to assist first, protect second, and enforce as a last measure meaning the law. Resolve the problem without an arrest if possible and never get yourself into a situation where it comes down to ego versus ego. A different color uniform other than black would go a long way. Shrinks tell you that blue can the most disarming and safest of colors. So maybe that was why the old cops wore blue. Tans and browns are mellow but black is usually tied to evil in most people's minds. Makes you wonder if you really understand the people you are serving and are you serving them or just their outside jailers? Just things to think about when you put that uniform on next time. And one final thought if you think color does not make a difference. That Arizona sheriff has gained a lot of attention with his jailbird pink uniforms for convicts and most do not re-offend in his county. he found the one color big bad criminals would like to avoid.
        Last edited by big red; 04-09-2010, 6:16 PM.

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        • #5
          2Cute2Shoot
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 1038

          Originally posted by Jwood562
          I ran accross this thread in a another section.



          it just amazes me at most of the responses.

          "the dective is fishing"

          "Never talk to the police"

          etc etc.

          whats the deal. do you guys ever encounter this. I only find it on calguns. I rarely ever find anything like this in the field but man it started with the thread about people refusing to show their wal mart recipts to the senior citizen checking them at the door and now this. tin foil hats or what do you guys think?

          if they did nothing wrong why are we (LEOs) precieved as such bad people. If they did nothing to put them in jail...they wont end up in jail right?
          I agree with you 1000% Jwood! I happen to think that people who choose to go into law enforcement are more likely to have a high value of our constitution and our rights. I always here "they just want to close a case", "they don't care about you", etc. I hope I can someday be in law enforcement, and that's because I want to make a positive difference in my community! In my heart, I feel most officers feel this way too. I understand protecting yourself and not saying dumb things to get yourself in trouble, but I think it's mean and insulting to them to assume that they will violate your rights, not seek justice, and ignore our constitution because they are 'just doing their job'.
          Last edited by 2Cute2Shoot; 04-09-2010, 8:27 PM.

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          • #6
            matrix056
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 684

            This site is full of anti-LEO's, especially the 2A thread. I tend to avoid that area......

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            • #7
              yzErnie
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Mar 2007
              • 6309

              Originally posted by big red
              But as long as you allow those bad cops to exist among your ranks you will have a citizenry that will not trust you.
              I have spent 32 as a Sheriff's Deputy/Detective/Sergeant, another year as a Reserve Sheriff's Deputy and 8 years of military service and have and will always be doing the right thing for the right people in our communities and nation. I will admit there are a couple bad apples in the cart however, for you to blanketly say that people don't trust us because of a few individuals is simply assinine.

              SoCalDep hits it right on the head with his post...thank you!!
              The satisfaction of a job well done is to be the one who has done it

              Originally posted by RazoE
              I don't feel a thing when some cop gets ghosted.

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              • #8
                Just-in
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2010
                • 2176

                Originally posted by big red
                And many people have seen cops use their authority in a questionable manner and threaten people with it rather than reason with them. There are a lot of good cops out there who are tarnished with the bad actions of a few. But as long as you allow those bad cops to exist among your ranks you will have a citizenry that will not trust you.
                Agree 100%

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                • #9
                  CSACANNONEER
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                  • Dec 2006
                  • 44093

                  Originally posted by 2Cute2Shoot
                  I agree with you 1000% Jwood! I happen to think that people who choose to go into law enforcement value our rights and our constitution much more than those who don't. I always here "they just want to close a case", "they don't care about you", etc. I hope I can someday be in law enforcement, and that's because I want to make a positive difference in my community! In my heart, I feel most officers feel this way too. I understand protecting yourself and not saying dumb things to get yourself in trouble, but I think it's mean and insulting to them to assume that they will violate your rights, not seek justice, and ignore our constitution because they are 'just doing their job'.
                  WOW! I've been involved in law enforcement as a non-LEO and my dad is retired after +31 years as a Federal LEO and many more as a local PD reserve officer. But, I've NEVER seen someone who wants to ba a LEO openly display this type of superiority complex. 2Cute, please think about what you just said carefully. It's this type of thinking that gets people believing in the us vs. them thing.
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                  • #10
                    Just-in
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 2176

                    Originally posted by 2Cute2Shoot
                    I agree with you 1000% Jwood! I happen to think that people who choose to go into law enforcement value our rights and our constitution much more than those who don't.

                    Those are strong accusations care to elaborate?
                    Last edited by Just-in; 04-09-2010, 7:43 PM.

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                    • #11
                      SVT-40
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 12894

                      What I find interesting is most on this board always cry "never talk to the police, Call a lawyer, The police are not your friend ". "Stand up for your rights" Ect.

                      However when an LEO is accused of ANY wrong doing it's, get the rope out time.

                      Does due process extend to officers also? How about innocent until proven guilty?

                      I'm all for "Cleaning the house" if the "Bad cops" can be identified and through due process eliminated.

                      But just because you got a citation you disagreed with. Or some cop called you a name or was "rude". Does not give you the right to call for his head.

                      Valid complaints should be made through the proper channels. But before you jump to the conclusion that the LEO did something wrong. Why not just ask him or his supervisor "why did you do" (insert complaint).

                      Regarding Black uniforms. Most City police officers were dark blue. Knows as "LAPD" blue uniforms, not black uniforms.

                      Some "special" teams wear black DBU type uniforms. But not patrol.

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                      Originally posted by fiddletown
                      What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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                      • #12
                        Doheny
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13820

                        I'm not a LEO (wife is), but I think it's just another form of p*nis envy. People don't like the fact that cops have authority, get to carry guns, etc. All the things that many people want but don't have.
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                        • #13
                          nick
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                          • Aug 2008
                          • 19151

                          Originally posted by Doheny
                          I'm not a LEO (wife is), but I think it's just another form of p*nis envy. People don't like the fact that cops have authority, get to carry guns, etc. All the things that many people want but don't have.
                          Funny, the same thing is being said about gun owners.
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                          • #14
                            2Cute2Shoot
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 1038

                            Originally posted by Just-in
                            Those are strong accusations care to elaborate?
                            I'm soooo sorry. That was a typo. What I was trying to say was that there are many more officers who value our rights than there are that don't! I didn't mean to say that people in law enforcement are somehow better. That was my TYPO! Oops

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                            • #15
                              cindynles
                              Veteran Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 2806

                              Originally posted by Jwood562
                              if they did nothing wrong why are we (LEOs) precieved as such bad people. If they did nothing to put them in jail...they wont end up in jail right?
                              I'm going to assume that you are an active LEO, so let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second. What if a detective from IA wanted to "talk" to you, would you want your union rep present, or would you take the approach that if you did nothing wrong nothing bad would happen to you?
                              "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." B.Franklin,1759

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