WHy are people so paranoid?

[Jwood562]

I ran accross this thread in a another section.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=288803

it just amazes me at most of the responses.

"the dective is fishing"

"Never talk to the police"

etc etc.

whats the deal. do you guys ever encounter this. I only find it on calguns. I rarely ever find anything like this in the field but man it started with the thread about people refusing to show their wal mart recipts to the senior citizen checking them at the door and now this. tin foil hats or what do you guys think?

if they did nothing wrong why are we (LEOs) precieved as such bad people. If they did nothing to put them in jail...they wont end up in jail right?

[SoCalDep]

It's everywhere. Some is paranoia, some is the result of the media, some is the result of bad experiences from themselves, friends, etc., some is because they are bad themselves and refuse to accept blame.

There are many reasons for this attitude. Some are justified, some are not.

[RangemasterP226]

Here is my response in that thread..........



I am always surprised at how anti law & order this board is.

Lets protect the criminal, lets help him to avoid answering for his crimes.

What if he broke into YOUR house, would you still want his parents to cover for him, invoke is right to remain silent, or ignore the detective?

What if he stole YOUR car?

What if he had sex with YOUR underage daughter?

What if he stole property from YOUR business?

NO, the police may not be HIS friend, but they are the VICTIM'S friend. Does no one here get that??????

[big red]

Maybe it is in part due to the change in uniform color. If Black is evil in guns is it evil in police uniforms as well. And many people have seen cops use their authority in a questionable manner and threaten people with it rather than reason with them. There are a lot of good cops out there who are tarnished with the bad actions of a few. But as long as you allow those bad cops to exist among your ranks you will have a citizenry that will not trust you. Add to it the all black storm trooper look such as the Sacrmento Sheriff's have and people tend to avoid you. I was taught to assist first, protect second, and enforce as a last measure meaning the law. Resolve the problem without an arrest if possible and never get yourself into a situation where it comes down to ego versus ego. A different color uniform other than black would go a long way. Shrinks tell you that blue can the most disarming and safest of colors. So maybe that was why the old cops wore blue. Tans and browns are mellow but black is usually tied to evil in most people's minds. Makes you wonder if you really understand the people you are serving and are you serving them or just their outside jailers? Just things to think about when you put that uniform on next time. And one final thought if you think color does not make a difference. That Arizona sheriff has gained a lot of attention with his jailbird pink uniforms for convicts and most do not re-offend in his county. he found the one color big bad criminals would like to avoid.

[2Cute2Shoot]

I ran accross this thread in a another section.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=288803

it just amazes me at most of the responses.

"the dective is fishing"

"Never talk to the police"

etc etc.

whats the deal. do you guys ever encounter this. I only find it on calguns. I rarely ever find anything like this in the field but man it started with the thread about people refusing to show their wal mart recipts to the senior citizen checking them at the door and now this. tin foil hats or what do you guys think?

if they did nothing wrong why are we (LEOs) precieved as such bad people. If they did nothing to put them in jail...they wont end up in jail right?

I agree with you 1000% Jwood! I happen to think that people who choose to go into law enforcement are more likely to have a high value of our constitution and our rights. I always here "they just want to close a case", "they don't care about you", etc. I hope I can someday be in law enforcement, and that's because I want to make a positive difference in my community! In my heart, I feel most officers feel this way too. I understand protecting yourself and not saying dumb things to get yourself in trouble, but I think it's mean and insulting to them to assume that they will violate your rights, not seek justice, and ignore our constitution because they are 'just doing their job'.

[matrix056]

This site is full of anti-LEO's, especially the 2A thread. I tend to avoid that area......

[yzErnie]

But as long as you allow those bad cops to exist among your ranks you will have a citizenry that will not trust you.

I have spent 32 as a Sheriff's Deputy/Detective/Sergeant, another year as a Reserve Sheriff's Deputy and 8 years of military service and have and will always be doing the right thing for the right people in our communities and nation. I will admit there are a couple bad apples in the cart however, for you to blanketly say that people don't trust us because of a few individuals is simply assinine.

SoCalDep hits it right on the head with his post...thank you!!

[Just-in]

And many people have seen cops use their authority in a questionable manner and threaten people with it rather than reason with them. There are a lot of good cops out there who are tarnished with the bad actions of a few. But as long as you allow those bad cops to exist among your ranks you will have a citizenry that will not trust you.

Agree 100%

[CSACANNONEER]

I agree with you 1000% Jwood! I happen to think that people who choose to go into law enforcement value our rights and our constitution much more than those who don't. I always here "they just want to close a case", "they don't care about you", etc. I hope I can someday be in law enforcement, and that's because I want to make a positive difference in my community! In my heart, I feel most officers feel this way too. I understand protecting yourself and not saying dumb things to get yourself in trouble, but I think it's mean and insulting to them to assume that they will violate your rights, not seek justice, and ignore our constitution because they are 'just doing their job'.

WOW! I've been involved in law enforcement as a non-LEO and my dad is retired after +31 years as a Federal LEO and many more as a local PD reserve officer. But, I've NEVER seen someone who wants to ba a LEO openly display this type of superiority complex. 2Cute, please think about what you just said carefully. It's this type of thinking that gets people believing in the us vs. them thing.

[Just-in]

I agree with you 1000% Jwood! I happen to think that people who choose to go into law enforcement value our rights and our constitution much more than those who don't.

Those are strong accusations care to elaborate?

[SVT-40]

What I find interesting is most on this board always cry "never talk to the police, Call a lawyer, The police are not your friend ". "Stand up for your rights" Ect.

However when an LEO is accused of ANY wrong doing it's, get the rope out time.

Does due process extend to officers also? How about innocent until proven guilty?

I'm all for "Cleaning the house" if the "Bad cops" can be identified and through due process eliminated.

But just because you got a citation you disagreed with. Or some cop called you a name or was "rude". Does not give you the right to call for his head.

Valid complaints should be made through the proper channels. But before you jump to the conclusion that the LEO did something wrong. Why not just ask him or his supervisor "why did you do" (insert complaint).

Regarding Black uniforms. Most City police officers were dark blue. Knows as "LAPD" blue uniforms, not black uniforms.

Some "special" teams wear black DBU type uniforms. But not patrol.

Be safe out there!!!

[Doheny]

I'm not a LEO (wife is), but I think it's just another form of p*nis envy. People don't like the fact that cops have authority, get to carry guns, etc. All the things that many people want but don't have.

[nick]

I'm not a LEO (wife is), but I think it's just another form of p*nis envy. People don't like the fact that cops have authority, get to carry guns, etc. All the things that many people want but don't have.

Funny, the same thing is being said about gun owners.

[2Cute2Shoot]

Those are strong accusations care to elaborate?

I'm soooo sorry. That was a typo. What I was trying to say was that there are many more officers who value our rights than there are that don't! I didn't mean to say that people in law enforcement are somehow better. That was my TYPO! Oops

[cindynles]

if they did nothing wrong why are we (LEOs) precieved as such bad people. If they did nothing to put them in jail...they wont end up in jail right?

I'm going to assume that you are an active LEO, so let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second. What if a detective from IA wanted to "talk" to you, would you want your union rep present, or would you take the approach that if you did nothing wrong nothing bad would happen to you?