Loaded Guns At Home

[Raptor45ACP]

Thanks

I appreciate the welcome. I must tell you after driving 3,000 miles with two dogs amd a wife, arriving in California is still settling in. I like it but it is a bit different.

We will adapt.

[rkt88edmo]

to the OP: get training

[Raptor45ACP]

Always good advice.

Any suggestions (allowed?) to be made?

I feel some urgency to comply with the importing of the contents of my safe. I cannot get the same answer from any two people...

I firmly believe I have divested my self of any weapon not allowed in California. But then, I can't get an answer from my HOA on getting parking stickers for my cars!

It will come together I'm sure, and the training is on my list. Especialy on the interpretation of the "Castle Doctrine" in CA as opposed to FL.

I firmly beleive in local knowledge..."Who's the best mechanic?" or "...the most reputable Gun Dealer?"

Thanks in advance.

[BillCA]

In your situation - living alone with dogs around - then how you store the pistol is your option.

If the dogs are in the house with you most of the time, then I see no problem with the gun & mag separate. However, with the dogs limited to the back yard, if someone crashes the front door, it'll delay getting the gun into action.

For those with guns in locked safes or gun vaults, keep in mind that if you're seen to flee into another room, the perp may be about 1.5 seconds on your heels. Try opening your safe under stress -- bet someone a huge dinner that you can get your safe open before they can "tag" you. Or with someone right behind you yelling to move faster, screaming random numbers to confuse working the combination.

I live alone, no dogs, in a fairly safe townhome area. Yet I keep a S&W 9mm pistol with the magazine inserted and the chamber empty as a backup gun. My primary HD guns are revolvers, loaded and ready to go.

There's no sense, IMO, of keeping a Beretta 92 in a safe with the magazine out of it. Not unless you think someone who'd break into the safe and steal it might overlook taking the mag. Even fully loaded with the safety on, the Beretta is safe for immediate use, once you flick off the safety.

For me, if I grab the S&W 9mm to "investigate" some noise or something, I chamber a round with the safety on and then remove the safety. This gives me a DA pistol that's ready-to-use in split second.

As to the "children's rule" - if you store your gun in a safe, loaded or not, and a punk breaks in and steals it, you've done your part under the law.

[oron]

I Don't Get it.?
Our children here Az. are trained from youth, to respect,
And handle firearms, properly with Adult supervision.
And every weapon here are loaded. I reach, it's there!
And YES corpral punishment works. Also reward for good.

[TurboS600]

Any weapon intended to be used for SD should be kept loaded at all times unless unattended in an area where it could be accessed by children or BGs. It should be on your person if possible, if not it should be easily accessible, if it can be accessed by others, it should be locked up. But always, always, ALWAYS loaded.


An unloaded SD gun is

[Raptor45ACP]

Sorry if Unclear...

My wife and I and the two dogs are the only residents. Any other visitors constitutes a plan to lock up guns based on the variable of the situation.

I NEVER go to the door to an unexpected visitor without a backup weapon at the ready. On the contrary, any minors in the house will cause a "lockup".

I am never more than 3 seconds from a Condition 1 1911 at any time under normal conditions. That includes in the truck or car.

A group of three "over inquisitive hoodies" took an interest in my Ford Harley Davidson F150, and refused to move out of the closing arc of my door, faking interest in the truck. My wife, who understands "situational awareness" stepped away from the truck and moved back tworad the store. When the young interested youths refused to move out of the "closing arc" of my door and attempted to enter the driver's side with me, I presented .45 ACP and suggested I wished to close the door NOW.

Message was recieved, and I am sure a new record for the 100 yard dash occurred, bu not documented.

I am sure I was a target because I park in handicap spots on days it is necessary.

Point being, the .45 with the hammer back, but safety on, is a "think twice" deterent (IMHO)

Regards.

[Raptor45ACP]

What you said...

Any weapon intended to be used for SD should be kept loaded at all times unless unattended in an area where it could be accessed by children or BGs. It should be on your person if possible, if not it should be easily accessible, if it can be accessed by others, it should be locked up. But always, always, ALWAYS loaded.


An unloaded SD gun is

Exactly

[Sailormilan2]

Having a gun unloaded and a mag standing by, is kind of like having a car with an empty tank, and a can of gas next to it.

I raised 3 kids and kept loaded guns in the house all the time, most of the time not locked up. But I taught each and every one of them how to operate each one. I told each one that they could look and touch, dry fire, field strip or what ever only when I was home. I never had any problems.

While you think you maybe able to relaod or load quickly when the time comes, in reality under stress conditons a person's fine motor skills goes down the drain, and they have a difficutl time doing what used to be a simple act. Conquering this requires repetative practise and training.

[oddjob]

Loaded Guns

My agency issues take home lock boxes/gun safes so that those who wish to can lock their issue handguns up at home. I only know of one person who uses it. I think the dept issues them for liability reasons. I've raised a couple of kids myself and have kept loaded guns around without a problem. Proper education is the key.

[jakemccoy]

Possibly, while at home, you CAN carry your weapon on your person. Castle Doctrine applies to your residence in California. The only question would be with other members of your family(I.e. Wife, children, etc) and their feelings. Education and safety training will go a long way. When the police response time is only a few minutes away, you may only have a few seconds to protect your loved ones!

When did California get a Castle Doctrine?

[SiegeX]

If you're not carrying and you are forced to procure the weapon from someplace why not make it a shotgun? Seems like it gives you superior firepower, more forgiving on impaired motor skills and you can adjust the penetration with various loads. This is not a troll but a serious question from somebody who is highly considering the points above to use a shotgun as the go-to HD weapon of choice.

[nrakid88]

in my opinion if u live in a good/quiet neighborhood u dont need to carry your firearm with you around the house, but if u live in a bad neighborhood with all these hoodlum thugs doing home invasion you should carry it with u at alll times!!

I dont understand this logic... I live in a good neighbor hood in LA county. However, a few months ago a crack addict broke into 8 houses in one night... and regularly people from LA city come up and murder people here. We have massive transportation now, it doesnt matter where you live, your surrounded by potential filth

[bfoster]

Just pulled the below article off thereporter.com. This fella in the article left his loaded glock laying on his bed while he changed his clothes. His 8 year old picked it up and shot his two year old sister in the head. This is why all kids need to be taught gun handling and safety. Just be careful how you store your weapons...I'm sure with the overwhelming anti-gun sentiment in California this poor guy is about to get strung up for his negligence.

DA to get toddler's shooting case
BY KIMBERLY K. FU
Posted: 09/25/2009 01:01:53 AM PDT

No arrests were pending Thursday in the death of a Vacaville toddler who was accidentally shot by her brother Wednesday as he played with a family gun, though police said they planned to turn the matter over to the Solano County District Attorney's Office today.
The autopsy of Ayana Shanahan, 2, is also expected to be completed today.

The tragedy unfolded shortly after 2 p.m. in the master bedroom on the second floor of a residence in the 1000 block of Syracuse Circle.

Police said the girl's 8-year-old brother found their father's loaded firearm on his parents' bed and began playing with it. At some point, it fired, fatally wounding his sister in the head.

Paramedics arrived soon after, finding the little girl unresponsive. They treated her at the scene and then rushed her to VacaValley Hospital, where she was pronounced dead.

"We believe he didn't realize it was loaded, he didn't realize it was real," said Vacaville Police Sgt. Jeff King. "This is an unfortunate tragedy."

A search of the home reportedly turned up multiple firearms, some of them inherited, and the family was brought in for questioning.

The boy has been placed into the care of Child Protective Services. His father, an active duty Army reservist, and his mother, are staying with family members, police said.

The matter remains under investigation.

[jakemccoy]

That looks like a textbook violation of PC 12035, unfortunately. (Don't get mad at me because I didn't make that law.) Also, I agree that kids do need to be taught safe gun handling.