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  • #16
    Ron-Solo
    In Memoriam
    • Jan 2009
    • 8581

    Originally posted by l_Z_l
    i cc/oc (snap cap in chamber w/ loaded mag) at home and it's never out of my sight...it took my parent a few months to get used to it...they want to go shooting to see why i'm so excited about the sport...gotta set something up next mo...
    If you've got to cc/oc inside your own home you've got bigger worries. It's time to move................or get profesional help. Stay away from the kool-aid!

    If you choose to keep a loaded firearm in your home for those 'what if' situations, it is your responsibility to make sure it's done in a safe manner, is not accessible to unauthorized persons (kids, guests, etc) and that you are properly trained to use it and retain it during a confrontation.

    As far as using Snap-Caps, they are a very valuable training tool for function and trigger skills, BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD THEY EVER BE MIXED WITH LIVE AMMUNTION! Live ammo and Snap-Caps are a dangerous combination and can have tragic results.

    You are asking for trouble. The ONLY exception to this would be the supervised practice of failure drills under the direction of a qualified instructor.
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    • #17
      Fire in the Hole
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 1563

      Originally posted by Ron-Solo
      If you've got to cc/oc inside your own home you've got bigger worries. It's time to move................or get profesional help. Stay away from the kool-aid!

      If you choose to keep a loaded firearm in your home for those 'what if' situations, it is your responsibility to make sure it's done in a safe manner, is not accessible to unauthorized persons (kids, guests, etc) and that you are properly trained to use it and retain it during a confrontation.

      As far as using Snap-Caps, they are a very valuable training tool for function and trigger skills, BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD THEY EVER BE MIXED WITH LIVE AMMUNTION! Live ammo and Snap-Caps are a dangerous combination and can have tragic results.

      You are asking for trouble. The ONLY exception to this would be the supervised practice of failure drills under the direction of a qualified instructor.

      Good points Ron. You don't want to go messing with added tasks, when your gross motor skills are all you have left in a true life or death SD situation. Remember KISS.

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      • #18
        SVT-40
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2008
        • 12906

        Buy one of the many "biometric" or push button type pistol lock boxes. Keep your loaded firearm in it. This allows instant access and keeps prying little fingers off your firearms. Just bolt the box to the side of your bed stand or closet shelf.

        Our P.O.A. over the years have bought lock boxes for each new member of our association. It's a welcome present from your future partners. Since LEO's usually have firearms at home with children around it was a good way to try and instill firearm safety at home with our new officers.

        They cost around $100 or so depending on the type you buy.

        I keep my carry Glock in my box at night, and if I'm not carrying. I'm so used to the routine I don't even have to look to unlock the box. I can retrieve it faster from my box, than I could get it from the bed stand drawer.
        Poke'm with a stick!


        Originally posted by fiddletown
        What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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        • #19
          1xoutlaw
          Member
          • Jul 2009
          • 311

          in my opinion if u live in a good/quiet neighborhood u dont need to carry your firearm with you around the house, but if u live in a bad neighborhood with all these hoodlum thugs doing home invasion you should carry it with u at alll times!!

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          • #20
            Bigballaizm
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 3109

            Originally posted by 1xoutlaw
            in my opinion if u live in a good/quiet neighborhood u dont need to carry your firearm with you around the house, but if u live in a bad neighborhood with all these hoodlum thugs doing home invasion you should carry it with u at alll times!!
            True... Or at least have it close by most of the times!
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            • #21
              ickbar
              Junior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 16

              Originally posted by Meeskas
              I just bought my first gun a few weeks ago, a Beretta 9mm. Part of the reason I bought was Home Defense. I am interested in LEO's take on storing a gun at home with a loaded magazine in it. Currently I store the gun in a safe with the magazine separate. When I am home the safe is unlocked. I feel it only takes a second to load the magazine and chamber the round, but is that 1 second too long?
              I've got a question for you, would using 10rnd mags in your 9mm Beretta be sucificient?

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              • #22
                Soldier415
                Calguns Addict
                • Feb 2007
                • 9537

                I have a loaded firearm with one in the chamber within reach in the areas in the house I usually am. If someone comes through my door while I am in the kitchen, and my HD gun is in the bedroom...not much use to me now is it?
                Originally posted by harmoniums
                Absolutely, I've refused sale before.
                My gut is good for two things, making poo and spotting crazy
                Originally posted by bwiese
                Do not get your legal advice from Forest Rangers or Sheriffs: that's like getting medical advice from your plumber.

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                • #23
                  retired
                  Administrator
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 9409

                  Originally posted by Soldier415
                  I have a loaded firearm with one in the chamber within reach in the areas in the house I usually am. If someone comes through my door while I am in the kitchen, and my HD gun is in the bedroom...not much use to me now is it?
                  Soldier, have you been hanging around Yoda again.

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                  • #24
                    Ron-Solo
                    In Memoriam
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 8581

                    Originally posted by retired
                    Soldier, have you been hanging around Yoda again.
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                    1978-2011

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                    • #25
                      Soldier415
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 9537

                      Originally posted by retired
                      Soldier, have you been hanging around Yoda again.
                      Yes, he is my Assistant Gunner.

                      Midgets are hard to come by here in the 'Stan, so you gotta take what you can get
                      Originally posted by harmoniums
                      Absolutely, I've refused sale before.
                      My gut is good for two things, making poo and spotting crazy
                      Originally posted by bwiese
                      Do not get your legal advice from Forest Rangers or Sheriffs: that's like getting medical advice from your plumber.

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                      • #26
                        Ron-Solo
                        In Memoriam
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 8581

                        Originally posted by ickbar
                        I've got a question for you, would using 10rnd mags in your 9mm Beretta be sucificient?
                        Not if you miss with the first 10 rounds......


                        .......or am I just missing the point of this comment.
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                        1978-2011

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                        CRPA Life Member
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                        NRA Shotgun Instructor
                        NRA Range Safety Officer
                        DOJ Certified Instructor

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                        • #27
                          barrym66
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 2228

                          Originally posted by Ron-Solo
                          .....If you choose to keep a loaded firearm in your home for those 'what if' situations, it is your responsibility to make sure it's done in a safe manner, is not accessible to unauthorized persons (kids, guests, etc) and that you are properly trained to use it and retain it during a confrontation.

                          As far as using Snap-Caps, they are a very valuable training tool for function and trigger skills, BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD THEY EVER BE MIXED WITH LIVE AMMUNTION! Live ammo and Snap-Caps are a dangerous combination and can have tragic results....
                          +1 on this, great commentary. All of my guns, except a G23 and M1S90 I keep in my bedroom (since most break-ins/home invasions historically occur during evening hours when that's where I'd be), are locked securely in my safe.

                          The G23 and shotgun are hidden but easily accessible, and both are loaded but with an empty chamber. All of my training and practice has always started with a mag and chamber check, so in a stressful situation I'm going to revert to ingrained patterns and chamber a round when needed.

                          You need to think through potential threat scenarios you may encounter, and plan/practice in advance what you you are going to do. In the heat of the moment, groggy at 2AM, is not the time to remember if a snap cap is in the chamber or mag, or if the mag is fully loaded, etc...

                          I also thought through gun placement and storage, and decided not to keep the guns unlocked until the kiddies were out and off to college. I've also thought about when to run, and when to shoot, and calling 911 is always the first thing on the agenda. I'm not going to be a hallway ninja.

                          Again, your call, but think it through and practice in advance. And be reasonable about real world situations...zombies and Reds coming through the kitchen windows at 1PM in the afternoon are highly unlikely.
                          Barry

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                          • #28
                            CALPsidewinder
                            Junior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 82

                            Originally posted by Ron-Solo
                            If you've got to cc/oc inside your own home you've got bigger worries. It's time to move............
                            I live in the San Gabriel Valley and many parts of it most would consider safe. But there have been many home invasion robberies in some of the best areas (especially in the Asian community) so I don't think it far fetched to cc/oc in your home even in the finest of neighborhoods. Often times that is just where the villain strikes, in the place where he/she believes they will have the least resistance if caught in the act by a home owner. IMO
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                            • #29
                              Raptor45ACP
                              Junior Member
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 8

                              DA/SA or SA only?

                              That could affect your thinking. All mu guns with an external safety are Condition 1 (Cocked and Locked Safety on). Consistent condition can help with cosistent performance.

                              On the other hand, a Sig with no safety is kept chambered round, hammer dropped with the de-cocker. Same situation as a wheel gun.

                              S/A model 1911's are best kept cocked and locked as most of the Bad Guys rally aren't that familiar with the operation and fail to find the safety before a trigger pull. A DA/SA with a safety is like belst and suspenders. One or the other please, but be consistent for your training.

                              In my case, a Kimber 1911, any model (CT laser grips) fits the bill. Hammer back, pick it up and keep the safety on until shoot decision is made.

                              Comming from Florida, where I carried 24 X 7, I can tell you that the "manual of arms" the least to remember is the best. I only presented once, but it saved myself and my wife.

                              New CA member.
                              "Was mich nicht umbringt macht mich starker"

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                              • #30
                                retired
                                Administrator
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 9409

                                Welcome Raptor45ACP to Calguns and to the LEO forum!

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