Loaded Guns At Home

[bfoster]

Yep...a five minute chat with that kid about real guns and what to do may have prevented all this. It's my understanding that Vaca PD isn't gonna hook dad in this case, but rather is gonna pass the hot political potato to the Solano County DA. I'm sure the Gun Control crowd will be mounting a liberal march to make sure this poor guy is strung up...as if he hasn't suffered enough already.

[BillCA]

When did California get a Castle Doctrine?

198.5. Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that
force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.

As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury.

Note the requirement of an unlawful and forcible entry.

If you're not carrying and you are forced to procure the weapon from someplace why not make it a shotgun? Seems like it gives you superior firepower, more forgiving on impaired motor skills and you can adjust the penetration with various loads.

For some people, this will make sense. However, we should also acknowledge that the long gun is harder to get into action in close quarters. A handgun is usually easier to keep near you - desk drawer, end table, etc. - and is easier to use if the intruder is within a few feet of you by the time you acquire the gun.

Point being, the .45 with the hammer back, but safety on, is a "think twice" deterent (IMHO)

You can say stop or alto or anything else, but pointing the muzzle of a big bore pistol at someone's forehead is about as close to the universal language that I've found.
-- Clint Smith

Consistent condition
In my house, home-defense revolvers are loaded and ready to use. Semi-autos are always in condition three - fully loaded with an empty chamber - for general safety. The reason for condition three is that it allows immediate access and use without needing to think about the safety (push down, push up, etc.) and to prevent a discharge if the gun is knocked off a table, chair, etc. by me, the dog or the cat.

[jakemccoy]

PC 198.5 doesn't appear to be much of a Castle Doctrine to me. It's not a Castle Doctrine just because someone labeled it so and lots of people repeat the label. A true Castle Doctrine should give rights to Californians like would Texas' Castle Doctrine. As I understand it, PC 198.5 has not operated much like a Castle Doctrine in court.

I'll go further to say that the way PC 198.5 is narrowly worded, it actually takes away rights. A prosecutor could argue that when there is no forcible entry, then the presumption of imminent danger is not there. He'd hammer the point home and make the jury believe that, in fact, there was no imminent danger. PC 198.5 gets in the way and makes things more complicated.

[RedMongooSe]

Here is an article written by my Firearms instructor on "condition 3" how the OP is carrying at the moment.


I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS AND PASS IT ON TO FRIENDS THAT CARRY.

http://www.selfdefensesolutionsllc.com/condition3.htm

[BillCA]

Here is an article written by my Firearms instructor on "condition 3" how the OP is carrying at the moment.

I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS AND PASS IT ON TO FRIENDS THAT CARRY.

http://www.selfdefensesolutionsllc.com/condition3.htm

Good read for those who carry. But the OP's question was related more to home defense, rather than carry.

[RedMongooSe]

Good read for those who carry. But the OP's question was related more to home defense, rather than carry.

well, in a home defense situation, you should be carrying on your person. if you are in the kitchen and 3 guys kick your door open, good luck getting to you room, cracking the safe, racking the slide, and properly contacting the home invaders to see what their purpose is being in your house ( kids looking for booz and an X box, or someone marking gang territory by killing or kidnapping or some other violent crime)

look up the home invasion that happened in Fullerton the other week. what good would have a firearm done in the room, or even a rocket launcher with an M60 welded on it?? A loaded firearm needs to be on your person when ever the law says its OK if you have the firearm for defense.

you have a gun in the house to keep you and your loved ones safe. you should be comfortable enough to handle a loaded firearm properly and safely. If not, take defensive shooting classes.


Furthermore,



IF you have kids, then its a different story, but the OP is not a father. When he is not with the firearm, it should be unloaded, locked away separate from the mag. When he gets home, he loads the firearm, decocks/ puts the safty on, and carries it though out his dwelling and carries on with his at home life.

I think the OP lives with mom and dad. Mom and dad should know how to safely check the firearm is unloaded incase they come across it on the couch, or bathroom or wherever it was negligently left. (hey it happens)

just my .02 and my personal thoughts on home defense.





I open carry in my house. When i go to bed, its on my nightstand with my surefire. when i wake up and leave in the morning, i put her in the 600lb firesafe still loaded ( i live alone, girlfriend knows the routine also)

RM

[double_action]

As far as using Snap-Caps, they are a very valuable training tool for function and trigger skills, BUT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD THEY EVER BE MIXED WITH LIVE AMMUNTION! Live ammo and Snap-Caps are a dangerous combination and can have tragic results.

Unless you're doing the ball and dummy drill at the range

[flyer898]

As I write this I am sitting in the living room. I have my laptop in my lap, the family is setting on the couch and the TV is on. My carry gun is on my ankle.

I have colleagues who secret loaded guns at various points in their home. That is not an option for me as we have a teenager at home and he brings his friends over and sometimes we are not home. The only loaded guns in the house leave when we do. The rest are locked up; magazines and ammuntion are stored separately (criminals do not want semi-autos that do not have a magazine).

It is an unfortunate fact of life that home invasion robberies happen where I live. I don't deal drugs, I don't grow marijuana, but many people in this county do and common knowledge in thugland is knock on any door; there will be pot and money.

Home invasions happen very fast. This is a true story. A man had just come home from vacation with his young family. They lived in a rural area. He was in the kitchen pouring a glass of juice. His wife and two small children were in the bedroom folding laundry.

Six thugs took the two doors to his home at the same time. In two seconds or less he was on the floor and restrained. His wife and children were restrained a few seconds later. These masked criminals probably poisoned his dog a few weeks earlier to set this up. They had lock-picks, a taser, and a gun.

He had no chance to resist. He did not have a gun and if he had, unless it was on his person and his training and mindset were topnotch, he still would not have had a chance. He is a gutsy guy and after they were done he got free of the duct tape that was binding him to the chair, went to his brother-in-law's home and they chased after the thugs while calling police on the cell phone. He is also very lucky he and his family are not dead. Three of these guys have plead into long prison terms, two are looking at life after trial.

I remember an article by Jeff Cooper from sometime in the late 70s. Basically most scenarios for home defense require an adult that is armed at the moment of invasion. Until I got and HK P7M8 I only used revolvers because under the stress of the situation I did not want to do anything more complicated that draw and pull the trigger. No safety, no magazine insertion, no manipulation of locks or safes. Just simple so my mind can concentrate on the threat and dealing with it.

Criminals are stupid and they might not follow the directions on the matchbook cover and wind up at the wrong house. Probably won't happen, but . . . .

Your mileage may vary, this is my take on the subject.