why do so many come in here and BASH COPS

[Jonathan Doe]

They can say whatever they want to say, because their 1st Amendment rights are protected by LEOs and military who are willing to give their lives to defend them.

If any citizens have a problem with an LEO, he/she can write or call the watch commander of the station and file a complaint. The watch commanders are obligated to follow up. On the other hand, if you feel good about the encounter, also let the watch commanders know. I have a few commendations and complaints in my books, like a formal complaint from the National Organization for Women, and civil right violation law suits and so on.

[GuyW]

Or maybe

They can say whatever they want to say, because their 1st Amendment rights are protected by the 2nd and attendant hardware

....but Kestryll will be quick to point out that this are his private forums, and the 1st Am isn't in force here...
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[andrewj]

Most of my encounters with LEO's have been unpleasant. They were rude and hell bent on trying to incriminate me with something that I may or may not have done. I maintain courtesy and compliance while keeping my output to the minimum. They have still given me a hard time. That is why I have a tough time trusting officers now. Dont get me wrong, I do realize there are courteous and upstanding officers out there (especially LEO's that are calgunners) as I have dealt with them too, but I am more concerned with looking out for my freedom than the officer's feelings.

[Fire in the Hole]

But of course - its part of human nature...

One can substitute any number of roles in that hypothetical: attorney, traffic engineer, contractor, home remodeler, tax-preparer...


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Then a sense of mind disicipline must come into play to control this part of human nature, if one wants to continue communication with the attorney, traffic engineer, contractor, home remodeler, and tax preparer...
My "Human Nature" has wanted me to stangle some people, but I put my hands in my pockets when the urge arose. Likewise it's best to put one's tongue back in one's mouth when the urge to act on this "Human Nature" comes to the surface. As Ron White said, "I had the right to remain silent. I just didn't have the ability."

[GuyW]

Then a sense of mind discipline must come into play to control this part of human nature, if one wants to continue communication....

Yes.

And the RKBA community will catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

So (IMHO) forum members must slow down and separate in their minds and posts, that "Bad Occurrence A" didn't (probably) personally involve "CalGuns LEO #32", and thus wildly accusing _individual_ LEOs isn't accurate nor productive.

OTOH, we must all recognize that CAs laws have created a large well of anger, mistrust and resentment in our community against all levels of government, that occasionally is expressed in counterproductive ways.

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[Fire in the Hole]

"OTOH, we must all recognize that CAs laws have created a large well of anger, mistrust and resentment in our community against all levels of government, that occasionally is expressed in counterproductive ways."


I will agree with this, and speaking only for myself, but probably for others as well. We are here to attempt in our own small ways to bridge this chasim. One may have a hatred, mistrust, and resentment of doctors. But, when a doctor is trying to sew up a wound that was self-inflicted, it's probalby best not to scream at him and slap his hands while he is holding a scalpel over you.

[scr83jp]

Here is a question for you.

Why, when a CHP officer gave me a ticket for supposedly doing 67mph in a 65mph zone on IH8 feel the need to throw (yes throw) the ticket at me as he was smirking and laughing...?

As I was trying to address this "officer of the law" he simply walked away from me got back in his cruiser and drove off(?).

The CHP officer was about as fat as I have seen a "public servant" in a long time. He must have taken a few minutes out of his eating schedule to start handing out tickets without any provocation what so ever.

I understand the state is broke but it is hard to respect a department that hires jokers like this. As of right now CHP has lost my trust...

You sound just like the people I dealt with for 3+ decades just because you met an officer with a tude don't judge everyone the same way.I met lots of criminals with attitudes but I didn't treat everyone like crap just because of one adam henry.

[caoboy]

On the contrary, I have friends that are LEO's and they are good people. And Ive run into bad cops as well. The problem is nobody remembers a GOOD encounter with a LEO, just the bad ones, which all the sudden blankets all cops as bad.

There have been a few times ive bashed cops in this forum, but mostly for things that I saw as a sensless tragedy. Like the bart cop that thought he had his taser and it was his gun. Im sure he feels remorseful, heck, it ruined his carreer, he lost his job, got death threats, etc, but on the flip side, the guy he shot shouldnt have been drawing attention to himself to get the police involved. Regardless, he shouldnt have died either.

In general, I think too many people run across LEO's that nick them on petty issues (seatbelt ticket, etc) and that gives people a sour taste in their mouth. (IMO)

I think too some people have a problem with authority, and that causes aminosity against LEO's as well.
Again, just my opinion.

A cop friend told me what he does is he starts off polite to the person he stopped, and if their attitude is good, so is his, if they get antagonostic or start up on the defensive, his attitude comes right back at them the same way. He calls it the attitude test. Basically, he will treat you the same you treat him.

I had a GREAT run in with a LEO.

I was pulled over for a rolling stop. I freaked out, because right after he stopped me, another LEO pulled up, turned his lights on and put his spot light on the car. Then, while the first LEO was running my info, ANOTHER LEO showed up!! I was freaking out, thinking I'm going to jail for some reason, and best thing that happens is I get let off with a ticket.


Officer came back, handed me my stuff, and said "I'm not here to take your money, this is a warning and you need to sign it, it just lets my superior know I pulled you over, and you can frame it or throw it away, whatever you want. Have a nice day, don't do it again.

That's my good luck warning, and it is still in my car. That happened 2 superbowls ago, I remember because I was listening to the game at the time when he pulled me over.

[Fire in the Hole]

[QUOTE=ST5MF;2593106]Here is a question for you.

Why, when a CHP officer gave me a ticket for supposedly doing 67mph in a 65mph zone on IH8 feel the need to throw (yes throw) the ticket at me as he was smirking and laughing...?

As I was trying to address this "officer of the law" he simply walked away from me got back in his cruiser and drove off(?).

The CHP officer was about as fat as I have seen a "public servant" in a long time. He must have taken a few minutes out of his eating schedule to start handing out tickets without any provocation what so ever.

I understand the state is broke but it is hard to respect a department that hires jokers like this. As of right now CHP has lost my trust...[/QUOTE]

I empathize with your dilema. If I were you I would do one of two things to teach them a lesson they won't soon forget.
1. Absolutely refuse to drive you car on any public highway in CA. Turn in you license, to cut of this source of excessive revenue. Sell you car to cut off the outrageous registration fees that are no doubt being squandered. Cancel your vehicle insurance, and save the money.

2. Then I'd move to a state where I had the utmost respect for the LEO's there, where their training is supurb, and don't hand out tickets without provocation. BTW, what state would that be? Because I'm considering a move myself.

[Triad]

In the short time this forum has been open to us, the things I have read on here makes be believe this forum would be better off shut down.

[Fire in the Hole]

In the short time this forum has been open to us, the things I have read on here makes be believe this forum would be better off shut down.

Reluctantly, I must agree. Unless there is a massive turn-around in how it's conducted and moderated, to ensue it remains in strict complaiance with the "No Bashing" rules; then perhaps one must throw the baby out with the bathwater. Perhaps it has served it's purpose. There's always www.askanofficer.com.

[Jonathan Doe]

Judging entire LEO community by one negative encounter is not a healthy thing.

If one had several encounters, I wonder what the nature of contacts were. Speeding several times? Rolling stop several times? I wonder why one keeps breaking the law to have that many contacts with LEO's in the first place.

[socaldsal]

Yep. Pretty much.

I'm going to go on my soap box for jsut a couple of seconds here so bear with me please. These comments do not apply to everyone here. Only to a select few. Take a moment to ponder them.

The LEO's and attorneys that are members of this forum share a "like mind" wiht the rest of you. We are here to participate, answer your questions, and obtain information that we can not get elsewhere. OLL's for instance. We support the second ammendment. We support CCW. We support firearm shooting and ownership. We may be the silent minority, but we do come here to help and get help. Why then do certain menbers of this forum take advantage of their annonimity to insult, chastise, criticise, and berate us? We are on you side. When you do these things to us, you are not fostering a partnership between us. You are driving a wedge between us. How can any LEO or attorney objectively answer how you were falsely arrested, wrongfuly charged, maliciously prosecuted, and incorrectly found guilty, without a full review of the minute details of your particular case. How can I correctly discuss the height vs weight ratio of a given LEO?

In closing, remember when you seek free legal advice; you get what you pay for.

Thank you for your kind attention.

+1

Most of my friends that I knew in the military went on to become police officers afterward. After serving with a few of them overseas and at home, for years, I'd trust any one of them to make a righteous call. The same old stereotypes and molds never go away, but really guys, if they're LEO, and they're on here, and actively participating, and give out info, don't turn them away.

Funny, when I was in the military I was always thought to have come from a bad neighborhood, poor family, didn't have any useful skills for "real" work, and useless because I dropped out of college. Yea that's like saying "all LEO's" this and that. Anyone have an idea how many times guys actually say, "Hey the new guy is an idiot" away from the public eye?

One bad officer does not equal everyone who is a LEO, like one private from the south does not equal the US Military.

Personally I could give a f what you're shooting at the range, a AR15/OLL/M4gery build or a straight up AK is wicked cool. Hell if anyone has a GAU that you can wheel up to the firing line I'd give a $100 on the spot to press that button for a quick second. That's a big difference from finding AK's in the back of a van, LBV's, duct tape, quicklime, and a wriggling burlap bag. Context is everything.

[Fire in the Hole]

Here is a question for you.

Why, when a CHP officer gave me a ticket for supposedly doing 67mph in a 65mph zone on IH8 feel the need to throw (yes throw) the ticket at me as he was smirking and laughing...?

As I was trying to address this "officer of the law" he simply walked away from me got back in his cruiser and drove off(?).

The CHP officer was about as fat as I have seen a "public servant" in a long time. He must have taken a few minutes out of his eating schedule to start handing out tickets without any provocation what so ever.

I understand the state is broke but it is hard to respect a department that hires jokers like this. As of right now CHP has lost my trust...

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1. This forum is for Calguns LEO members and those who would like to ask questions in a civil manner.

2. This forum is to give our LEO members a place to share their stories, pictures and videos as well as answer serious questions from the membership.

3. This is NOT a place to air your dislike of the Government, Law Enforcement, LEOs in general or the law in general. Doing so here will result in losing access to this forum.

4. Post denigrating or insulting our LEO members will be removed and the poster will no longer be able to access this forum.

5. Questions for LEOs should be both civil and serious. Questions like 'Why do you thugs..' will get you removed and possibly banned. Frivolous questions will be deleted.
6. 'Cop Bashing' will NOT be tolerated in this forum at all.

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