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  • giaking70
    Member
    • May 2019
    • 242

    "Attitude Citation"

    Good afternoon everyone,

    I am asking a question here and hope some of you fine folks out there could assist in this incident I'm about to describe.

    First let me tell a little about what I do and then what happened. I work as a prisoner transport officer and my job takes me throughout California. When I do this job, time means everything...another words, I gotta be at certain times and certain places to either pick-up or deliver a prisoner to another destination and need to be there at certain times. Example, to court or a medical facility or another jail facility.

    Often times, I arrive early and on time, other times, I'm late and when I arrive, the Warden or a Watch Commander and even my own supervisor will ask why I'm late. Most often it's due to a traffic accident or freeway road construction and I developed a habit to grab my phone and take a quick 5-10 second video of the scene of an accident or construction area so as to document and to prove why I'm late getting to and or from my destination.

    Now I know that's a no no in law enforcement eyes, but it's my only proof that what I said about the accident that happened on the I-10 or wherever really occurred or the construction crew working wherever. The reason I do this is because we've had officers in the past call a supervisor stating jobs done, we're on our way back 10-19...and then show up an hour later when it only takes 15-20 minutes cause they stopped off at In-N-Out to grab a burger and milk it.

    Well, this past Friday night, I was on my way back 10-19 after notifying my supervisor that I was on my way back with all the equipment including multiple firearms in the trunk and one on me. Now, I do have a CCW but it was not being used per say as I was still on-duty and had my issued firearm on my person.

    Well, luck would have it that I got stuck in traffic due to a really bad accident and CHP ended up shutting down the freeway for about roughly several minutes. I called my supervisor and informed him I was gonna be late and I could hear the disappointment in his voice as he needed to go check on other duties and I had the firearms that needed to go back into the armory.

    Traffic finally got moving and I was going by the accident scene to take a quick 5 second video, you know, just to show CHP vehicles to again, document why I'm now gonna be late getting back 10-19. Now mind you, other drivers are doing the same cause I can see the lights coming from their cellphones.

    A CHP officer saw me doing this and yelled almost at the top of his lungs...hey, hey you...pull over right now. He pulls me over onto a limited right shoulder that has little to no room for my car and my tail end sticking out in now, one lane traffic.

    To make matters worse, he now has me blocking in, a departing fire engine trying to depart the scene. He comes to my window hollering for my license, registration, and insurance and I told him politely he didn't have to yell in my window. He said...I don't care...license, registration and insurance. I then told him I'm an officer, have a duty belt on with a firearm...he literally said again...I don't care. I didn't say anything else but just look at him to see if he was gonna let that sink in that I just told him I had a firearm on me. He didn't budge and asked again for those items.

    I informed him that i was filming because that's going to be my documented proof of why I'm late getting back to station. He then said...I really don't care it doesn't matter. I went ahead and provided what he demanded and not asked politely for. He went back to his patrol vehicle and proceeded to write me a citation.

    When he came back, he was even more rude then when he first initiated the contact. He practically shoved his cite book in my face and said I was being cited for having a phone in my hand. I turned around in my seat to look at the oncoming traffic and counted 6 cars with drivers with their phones in hand and ask why he wasn't hollering at the top of his lungs and telling them to pull over. He said...there you go, you have your proof. I said thanks for singling me out. He then said...I don't care, not my problem.

    At this point in time, I was about to throw his cite book out into traffic cause he pissed me off with his f***ing attitude but I kept my cool and was also gonna ask for his supervisor. I didn't cause the accident scene was already taking up everyone's effort. He walks away without even another word and I asked why you gotta be so rude about everything. I heard an off hand remark as he was walking away saying to the effect what I thought sounded like looser.

    I plan to be at the local CHP office to make a formal complaint against him for his attitude and absolute disrespect to the way he treats the public. Like I said in this thread early on, I know it's a no no, but it's my only proof to provide to my superiors that I'm not trying to "milk" the clock and I was alone this time around.

    What would you do in my situation regarding this. Should I make the complaint or just take it like a man and have it out in court. I'm not a bad guy, will be 50 yrs old in a couple months. If this officer had been more professional about all this, I would suck it up in court and would not even bother with a complaint. So again, how should this best be handled .

    Thanks for reading and sorry for it being so long.
  • #2
    elpaisa1
    Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 243

    I think you work for a ****ty department. lRequiring "proof" of why you're late.

    Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

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    • #3
      Garv
      RSG Minion, Senior
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Apr 2014
      • 9052

      Not LE, but maybe have a portable no-hands camera for next time?
      The guys in the technology forum could help I bet.

      Also, why do these people choose not to believe you? (seems petty, poop happens)

      Edit: San Diego has bad traffic at times, s/b understood.
      Last edited by Garv; 11-17-2019, 4:27 PM.
      Originally posted by Kestryll:
      It never fails to amuse me how people get outraged but fail to tell the whole story in their rants....

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      • #4
        M1NM
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2011
        • 7966

        Originally posted by elpaisa1
        I think you work for a ****ty department. lRequiring "proof" of why you're late.

        Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
        I think he said he does it to CYA. All they would have to do is call CHP and check the log if it's that big a deal. Spend $40 and get a dash cam.

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        • #5
          WCGC_RangeManager
          Junior Member
          • Mar 2019
          • 9

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          • #6
            eviioiive
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 1620

            I’m willing to bet there’s more to the story.
            Originally posted by Kestryll
            Your name has been publicly printed in newspapers and on the web, your expectation of privacy is flat gone.
            Originally posted by CALGUNS.NET
            You have been banned for the following reason: posting other member's personal info without permission. I don't care what your reasoning is that is not allowed.

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            • #7
              Spanky8601
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 2280

              You think. When I finished reading I was ready to call a waaabulance.
              May I always be the type of person my dog thinks I am

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              • #8
                DolphinFan
                Veteran Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 2583

                +1 on the dashcam
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                • #9
                  johnthomas
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 7001

                  Why don't you get a dash cam or portable mirror cam? I myself think you were in the wrong recording an accident scene as you were passing by. Obviously it is against the law. Not sure how you boss is going to take it.
                  I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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                  • #10
                    DEPUTYBILL
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 874

                    It is your call on the citation, sounds like you did violate CVC.
                    I assume the vehicle you were driving was an department unit.

                    Is it marked with your agency information, and are you in uniform and on duty?
                    I think I would request your department to see if they would handle the ticket for you. If they say it is on you, I would inform them that in the future they had better be prepared to except your word on delays, or if the aren't willing to, request they put dashcams in your transport units.

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                    • #11
                      phroggunner
                      Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 225

                      Originally posted by giaking70
                      I turned around in my seat to look at the oncoming traffic and counted 6 cars with drivers with their phones in hand and ask why he wasn't hollering at the top of his lungs and telling them to pull over.
                      ...said no real LEO ever.

                      By your own admission you have repeatedly broken the law, you just happened to get caught this time.

                      You spent so many paragraphs trying to rationalize your behavior and set up the CHP officer as the unreasonable one that your entire version of events is suspect.

                      Pay the fine. If you decide to fight the citation in court and the CHP officer is present, he will probably make you look like a fool.

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                      • #12
                        Spyder
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 17176

                        This should be good.

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                        • #13
                          starlight
                          Member
                          • Jul 2019
                          • 455

                          - emotions aside
                          - the violation was cellphone in hand
                          - simple as that

                          - get a dash cam with some sort of remote recording ability

                          - leave it at that

                          - is it a mickey mouse law? Up to you to decide. But it is the law and chip would be the ones to enforce

                          - I think chip probably sees lots of accidents due to distracted driver...like daily... so there was probably emotion behind your experience

                          - but the law is clear, no phones while driving





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                          • #14
                            Citadelgrad87
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 16959

                            He told it. He told the officer he didnt have to scream in his window, wanted to let "I just told him I have a firearm" soak in.

                            There was attitude here, and it went both ways.
                            Originally posted by tony270
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                            Print it out and frame it for all I care
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                            I don't need to think at all..
                            Originally posted by pjsig
                            You are talking to someone who already won this lame conversation, not a brick a wall. Too bad you don't realize it.
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                            • #15
                              BigStiCK
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 3792

                              Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought.

                              ~Pope John Paul II

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