80% lowers MERGED THREADS - please ask in here, not a new thread

[Discogodfather]

I sympathize with you on this one. I was grateful when my 2/21 submissions finally produced a letter on 6/22. Frankly, for my featureless rifle I was seriously considering buying a stripped lower to replace my 80% receiver. You are really screwed if you have AR pistols outstanding.

^^^ Ah, so here is an example of volreg on 2/21 and a letter on 6/22?

[CandG]

^^^ Ah, so here is an example of volreg on 2/21 and a letter on 6/22?

Man, then that sounds like anyone who submitted after February is not going to get a confirmation before 7/1.

[MosinVirus]

I listened to the whole thing too.

Still a lot of unknowns. Michael is appropriately staying on a safe side of things.

I bet though that all applications submitted before 07/01 for non-AW 80% builds will be processed.

[Discogodfather]

I listened to the whole thing too.

Still a lot of unknowns. Michael is appropriately staying on a safe side of things.

I bet though that all applications submitted before 07/01 for non-AW 80% builds will be processed.

I feel good because we have all been thinking and discussing and forming consensus about this for months if not years here. Everything I said turned out to be pretty much true including some assumptions, or at least Michael agrees with it for the most part. The two big show stoppers were the fingerprint requirement and the exemption status for volreg depending on if they accept the volreg or not, which apparently they can basically say "undetermined" forever.

It's so incredibly frustrating because if I knew that they would simply limbo our non-aw home build volreg's forever I probably would have gone through the process of getting a serial and BBAW reg'ing the damn things.

Still seems insane to think anyone who did not volreg before ?February? may not get it??

[MosinVirus]

Still seems insane to think anyone who did not volreg before ?February? may not get it??

That is where I think I have a little more hope. I believe they will continue to process those even if mistakes were made. At least that is what one lady from DOJ told me.

Meaning, I believe that they will keep processing the submitted-prior-to-deadline Firearm Ownership Reports where mistakes will be allowed to be corrected, pictures or info added, etc. until those get either approved or rejected, because they already took the money.

Honestly, I think they just want to get as many home builds into the database as possible.

I could be wrong (or too optimistic) of course.

However I am nearly 100% sure that VolReg submissions after 07/01 for non-AW home builds that already have the builder chosen serial engraved and date acquired stated as before 07/01 may be bounced. Most likely because they will assume that the build took place after 07/01 and the submitter is trying to get around having to use a DOJ provided number.

[MWPatriot]

It's so incredibly frustrating because if I knew that they would simply limbo our non-aw home build volreg's forever I probably would have gone through the process of getting a serial and BBAW reg'ing the damn things.

[RuMasco]

Keep getting a error has been reached on cfars website it won't even let me log in anymore anyone else have the same issue

Nevermind figured it out......but another question arose fsc/hsc doesn't have a asterik but on the notes it says it needs to be filled out or right down why exempt should I fill out? I know most on here arent

[DS94901]

What changed with the DOJ?

Someone here was told by DOJ that at this time they are not processing vol reg requests, only focusing on AW registrations.

[justmedave]

Someone here was told by DOJ that at this time they are not processing vol reg requests, only focusing on AW registrations.

That doesn't mean you can't still submit the FOR's. If you have any p80 polymer glock builds I suggest you fill out the report before the self applied serial number deadline. THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR METAL IN THE FRAME HAS GONE UP. THE P80 GLOCK FRAMES WILL NO LONGER BE IN COMPLIANCE. The deadline is same as AW's but unlike AW's the FOR's won't be processed till after AW deadline.
So kinda like IRS accepting returns that are postmarked before deadline but recieved after. I'm going to assume that if the FOR's where submitted before deadline we will be able to make corrections and avoid having to get a doj fmbus serial at a later date.

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[DS94901]

That doesn't mean you can't still submit the FOR's. If you have any p80 polymer glock builds I suggest you fill out the report before the self applied serial number deadline. THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR METAL IN THE FRAME HAS GONE UP. THE P80 GLOCK FRAMES WILL NO LONGER BE IN COMPLIANCE. The deadline is same as AW's but unlike AW's the FOR's won't be processed till after AW deadline.
So kinda like IRS accepting returns that are postmarked before deadline but recieved after. I'm going to assume that if the FOR's where submitted before deadline we will be able to make corrections and avoid having to get a doj fmbus serial at a later date.

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Yes, but you can submit a FOR at any time and one day it will be processed, but the folks at CRPA believe they are not going to accept a FOR submitted before 7/1 as exempting you from needing DOJ serial numbers unless approved before 7/1 and entered into the database. Since we have no answer from DOJ, everything is an opinion. It would make sense that they would have a submission deadline and not an approval deadline but nothing they do makes sense. No harm in trying to volreg though. If it doesn't work you're only out $19.

[justmedave]

Yes, but you can submit a FOR at any time and one day it will be processed, but the folks at CRPA believe they are not going to accept a FOR submitted before 7/1 as exempting you from needing DOJ serial numbers unless approved before 7/1 and entered into the database. Since we have no answer from DOJ, everything is an opinion. It would make sense that they would have a submission deadline and not an approval deadline but nothing they do makes sense. No harm in trying to volreg though. If it doesn't work you're only out $19.

So basically like I said. Submit P80 polymer builds now, because everything is an opinion. FYI I submitted FOR's almost 7 months ago they still say in progress. So I'm pretty sure whether you submitted 7 months ago or now you'll be good concerning P80 glock builds. That is what I'm talking about. Because after July 1st frames now need 3oz of metal. So you can't apply for a fmbus serial to apply to a glock frame.
I'm not suggesting people break any laws but you have resist tyranny any way you can. Hypothetically you can register some FUTURE builds or frames now. The F.O.R. DOES NOT ASK FOR PICTURES. You just need basic info frame only or complete, make, model, color, serial and aquired from. NO PICTURES and DONT ANSWER **** THAT DONT HAVE A RED ASTERISK.

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[BMartin1776]

Hmmmm volreg and wait for DOJ to decline or don't register and fear being charged as a criminal.......push comes to shove I'll dismantle and sell for parts

Well isnt that Option # XX, that you can just dissemble them?

[ajb78]

Well isnt that Option # XX, that you can just dissemble them?

Not really.

If it was an AW then yes, disassembly is an option to avoid the AW registration. If it is a completed 80%, AW or not, it still needs to be serialized and registered with the CA DOJ by 01/01/2019 in a way that complies with the law; whether it's a bare receiver/frame or a completed rifle or pistol, as a completed 80% is considered a firearm.

[mlancaster]

Not really.

If it was an AW then yes, disassembly is an option to avoid the AW registration. If it is a completed 80%, AW or not, it still needs to be serialized and registered with the CA DOJ by 01/01/2019 in a way that complies with the law; whether it's a bare receiver/frame or a completed rifle or pistol, as a completed 80% is considered a firearm.

I think the only safe option would be destruction. Torch cut, 3 places, .25" material removed at each cut. At that point I don't know if you would hold on to the pieces which you cut just for proof in case someone ever came knocking or if it would be in your best interest to get rid of them. I quite honestly don't know if either one of them could lead you to a destruction or tampering with evidence charge.

Then again I realize nobody wants to destroy something which they built. I'm only stating something that could potentially pull someone's nuts out of the hot water.

I'm kind of looking at a similar situation with a polymer 80 g19.

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[BMartin1776]

I think the only safe option would be destruction. Torch cut, 3 places, .25" material removed at each cut. At that point I don't know if you would hold on to the pieces which you cut just for proof in case someone ever came knocking or if it would be in your best interest to get rid of them. I quite honestly don't know if either one of them could lead you to a destruction or tampering with evidence charge.

Then again I realize nobody wants to destroy something which they built. I'm only stating something that could potentially pull someone's nuts out of the hot water.

I'm kind of looking at a similar situation with a polymer 80 g19.

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Or go deep sea fishing with them as many us have that has resulted in an unfortunate loss of our "toys" going overboard