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Old 05-05-2016, 7:39 AM
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Default 2016 AB 857 Cooper Firearms: identifying information.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201520160AB857

a person who manufactures or assembles a firearm to first apply to the department for a unique serial number or other identifying mark
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I thought the time to push new bills this season had passed?
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I thought the time to push new bills this season had passed?
New legislation, yes. All these are gut and amends. Which means they strip the original content of the bill, for this sh*t.
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I think this is one is more to parallel track the Senate equivalent bill from De Leon - SB1407. There's a specific strategy to this, and someone far my knowledgeable about the legislative process will be able to explain it. From a layman's understanding, dual tracking it this way would seem to make things go quicker, with both the Senate and Assembly versions concurrently going through the various committees and floor votes, instead of one legislative body at a time as is the conventional way, back and forth for concurring amendments and the like.
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Seems like a C&R firearm from a period when serial numbers were not required would require a collector to apply for an SN; and stamp it on the C&R firearm.

Do I read it correctly?
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pre-68 long guns are exempt.
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this is for all all those 80%'s to be tracked.
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This piece of work started out as a global warming bill; it morphed into a gun regulation under the table and behind the scenes. Too bad there's not a law requiring legislators to stay on subject when making modifications to existing bills. This sleight of hand crap is another feature of our "legislature" which utterly urinates me off.
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This piece of work started out as a global warming bill; it morphed into a gun regulation under the table and behind the scenes. Too bad there's not a law requiring legislators to stay on subject when making modifications to existing bills. This sleight of hand crap is another feature of our "legislature" which utterly urinates me off.
Completely agree. Is CA the only state where BS like this is allowed, or is the "gut and amend" practice a nationwide standard?
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Completely agree. Is CA the only state where BS like this is allowed, or is the "gut and amend" practice a nationwide standard?
The current California legislature is home of the most despicable cockroaches in the country.

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Completely agree. Is CA the only state where BS like this is allowed, or is the "gut and amend" practice a nationwide standard?
I want to say that they used something like that to pass the final version of ObamaCare, amending the House version to use the Senate's language *after* it had passed the House, but I don't know for sure. One thing is certain - if you do a web search on any engine for "gut and amend", everything that comes up is talking about California's use of the procedure. So even if other places are doing it, our legislature is the most prolific abuser of the process.
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DeLeon just said re: 857 that drug cartels are manufacturing 80% and we need to stop them. Right. Because criminals will follow your laws. This guy is madness.
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Fearful law abiding citizens who home build might call the DOJ to get their serial number and undergo a background check, those who have built and want to continue using them without fear of harassment can get their serial number.....

The people DeLeon and others say are building firearms to sell or use in crimes........ can still just build and sell or use without calling the DOJ for a serial number or background check.

So.... it does not make it harder for criminals, just citizens, okay.. so really they don't trust citizens, got it.
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Just voted in support 4-1 with 1 absent. Goodnight.
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gut and amend is working!
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Seems like a C&R firearm from a period when serial numbers were not required would require a collector to apply for an SN; and stamp it on the C&R firearm.

Do I read it correctly?
That was discussed. The bills author and the Committee agreed that defacing a collectible, curio or relic was not the intent - and that the language can be changed to accommodate that circumstance.
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Here's my "identifying mark"

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I see you have that right on the rear of your receiver, too!
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While I check this page frequently, sometimes several dozens times a day if a bill(s) are being heard, every few weeks while reading the California 2nd Amendment Political Discussion & Activism forum I realize focus is being lost, and I start seeing posts like "what should I get before the ban" and How do I register my AR15?".

This thread succinctly addresses this bill. It may need updates, but that's why it's being bumped and to get the importance of it back on the front page.

SOOooooo many of these bills are being ignored, forgotten or lost in the minutiae of how many Anti-2nd Amendment bills have been introduced this year, that it's exactly what these legislators have been hoping to do since the beginning - to create chaos, distraction, and an avalanche so cumbersome that most gun owners simply burn out, see it as futile, and go full-blown apathetic.

We can't let that happen.
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Assembly Floor Session - Jun 30, 2016

AB-857 Firearms: identifying information. Cooper
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201520160AB857

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkYntr7vEY


46 to 24

06/30/16 Senate amendments concurred in. To Engrossing and Enrolling.
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This bill is not on Brown's veto list or his signed list. Anyone know whats the story???

This is a big deal bill for those with home builds.
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Partially answering my own question, the press is reporting that "The Assembly did not send him AB 857, so Brown took no action on that bill"

WTF??
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http://assembly.ca.gov/legislativedeadlines

California lawmakers have until August 31 to submit bills. You're not done yet.
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"Senate amendments concurred in. To Engrossing and Enrolling."

WTF? Indeed.

This page says it's the stage just BEFORE it's delivered to the governor:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/guide.html
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Any news on this bill?
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California lawmakers have until August 31 to submit bills. You're not done yet.
well, brown vetoed similar legislation in 2013, and might again.....but it'll be back either way
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Any news on this bill?


Waiting for a gut and amend to 'fix' things like the bullet button reloaded
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i had read somewhere that today was the deadline for the governor to either sign or veto this bill...

any news on it?
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nothing official...but I saw this article dated: JULY 12, 2016, 6:15 P.M.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...htmlstory.html

Bills the governor vetoed would have:

— Put an initiative on the November ballot to clarify that theft of a firearm is grand theft and is punishable as a felony.

— Require those who make guns at home to register them with the state and get a serial number so the weapons can be tracked.

— Required stolen or lost guns to be reported within five days.

— Limited Californians to the purchase of one rifle or shotgun per month
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I think there were two bills pertaining to home builds...ill need to double check.
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i had read somewhere that today was the deadline for the governor to either sign or veto this bill...

any news on it?
Unless there is some special condition I've yet to hear of, he has until September 30th to sign or veto ANY bills this legislative session; which is what pissed off me and most everyone else on the bills he signed thus far. It's as if he was in such a rush to go on his European vacation, that he neither cared what the bills said, and merely flipped his wig and told the jackasses in the rest of the big swollen Sac, "send me anything anti-2nd Amendment quick; I'll sign it, I got nothing to lose now".


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Unless there is some special condition I've yet to hear of, he has until September 30th to sign or veto ANY bills this legislative session;
I really wish people would read the California Constitution before offering opinions on the legislative process. Article IV, section 10, subdivision (b) says:
(2) Any bill passed by the Legislature before September 1 of the second calendar year of the biennium of the legislative session and in the possession of the Governor on or after September 1 that is not returned on or before September 30 of that year becomes a statute.
(3) Any other bill presented to the Governor that is not returned within 12 days becomes a statute.
The September 30th deadline in (b)(2) is for bills passed at the end of the legislative session in August, and which are then passed onto the Governor in September. Seeing as it's July, the 12-day deadline in (b)(3) will kick in before it's September 1st. For AB857, the 12-day clock starts July 12, 2016. According to the history page on the California Legislature's website, AB857 was enrolled and presented to the Governor at 4:30 p.m on July 12, 2016. So the Governor has until July 24, 2016 to sign or veto. If you have doubts about a 12-day timeline existing, some California government websites like this and this clearly state that the Governor has 12 days to sign or veto for stuff that is not at the end of the legislative session.

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The current California legislature is home of the most despicable cockroaches in the country.
Sir, you demean cockroaches with that statement.
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Is Brown back from vacation yet? Granted I think we all know how this one will go...
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The current California legislature is home of the most despicable cockroaches in the country.
I would say the Majority of the California voters are the despicable cockroaches.
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We need to act today. AB 857 is on the governor's desk now. Please call him at 916-445-2841 and tell him to veto this again just like he did last year. Use this link to stand with the FPC: https://www.firearmspolicy.org/alert...eid=6e2114608f

Otherwise we all need to start paying the DOJ to give us dumb numbers so we can pay an engraver to deface our home builds.
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We need to act today. AB 857 is on the governor's desk now. Please call him at 916-445-2841 and tell him to veto this again just like he did last year. Use this link to stand with the FPC: https://www.firearmspolicy.org/alert...eid=6e2114608f

Otherwise we all need to start paying the DOJ to give us dumb numbers so we can pay an engraver to deface our home builds.
Indeed, we need to get on the phone, email and sign the FPC petition
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/alert...eid=f989dd1963
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