Contrary to "SuperTool" allegations, I didn't "call DOJ" on any personl/vendor...

[Tincon]

Most of you guys on this site are just about every day. The fact that you can't understand that doesn't make me a troll, buddy. It just means you and I aren't necessarily on the same side.

[bwiese]

I agree. In the spirit of honesty though, I swear I didn't make the first response with the intention to troll. I just don't like Bill because he represents what I perceive as a Loyalist to the State for continuing to bend over backwards in an effort to acquiesce to illegal laws instead of standing in defiance to them.

Oh Keerist the loons are out tonite.

Not "bending over backwards to comply". Trying to keep folks outta the cooler so they stay engaged.

Part of that is maintaining a shooting culture of some sort by exploiting legislatively unaddressed issues that may lead to interesting court scenarios. You can't do that with stasis and just accepting existing laws' scope without pushing back.

{BTW: I don't need BulletButtons etc. I'm an old fart with hundreds of hicap mags and a stack of grandfathered guns that don't need BBs etc.}

I've had a lotta "brave guys" like you call me, crying, late at night after they were busted. Then I get called "antigun" because I won't support giving them free legal fees to defend undefendable felony conduct.

[HowardW56]

That is actually not true. It is still considered a gray area.

Not to the people who've been arrested for it....

[HowardW56]

Most of you guys on this site are just about every day. The fact that you can't understand that doesn't make me a troll, buddy. It just means you and I aren't necessarily on the same side.

I think someone is confused....

[five.five-six]

I think someone is confused....

Glaucoma "meds" will do that.

[HowardW56]

Glaucoma "meds" will do that.

[pluke the 2]

Between a rock and a hard place but I think you made your point.

[rootuser]

I agree. In the spirit of honesty though, I swear I didn't make the first response with the intention to troll. I just don't like Bill because he represents what I perceive as a Loyalist to the State for continuing to bend over backwards in an effort to acquiesce to illegal laws instead of standing in defiance to them.

What exactly are you doing to stand in defiance of them? I don't know if I like Mr. Wiese or not, don't know the guy personally, but I do know all indications (personal and otherwise) point to the fact that he does a lot to change the laws the best he can. He is an active CGF Board member, supports the NRA, and puts his money where is mouth is. That is standing in defiance IMHO. The majority of this board don't even vote and most don't bother to belong to the NRA.

Trying to keep law abiding gun owners out of jail is not "bending to the man" it is saving resources to fight on the front we can win and where we can make changes. It makes perfect sense to me and seems like a sound legal strategy.

If you have some better ideas and the juice to make them reality then by all means, show the rest of us how to stand in defiance and make a difference. Getting arrested on a felony without a strategy is not an answer.

[curtisfong]

What exactly are you doing to stand in defiance of them?

He's going to post furiously on an obscure online forum.

He might even sign a petition or two!

[sl0re10]

I wouldn't call trying to talk some sense into fools "over the top", but that's just my humble opinion.

+1

yep. A felony conviction can easily ruin a normal person's life...

[bwiese]

+1

yep. A felony conviction can easily ruin a normal person's life...

And in some states they can't vote.

[mdib870]

Hippies! You're all a bunch of hippies and unicorns on this site!

[mdib870]

Thanks Obama!

[sl0re10]

And in some states they can't vote.

gotta say though; I keep smiling whenever I read 'supertool' is on your case.... too funny.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool

One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used. A fool. A cretin. Characterized by low intelligence and/or self-steem.

That tool dosen't even know she's just using him.

close cousin to a stooge.

[barrage]

What exactly are you doing to stand in defiance of them? I don't know if I like Mr. Wiese or not, don't know the guy personally, but I do know all indications (personal and otherwise) point to the fact that he does a lot to change the laws the best he can. He is an active CGF Board member, supports the NRA, and puts his money where is mouth is. That is standing in defiance IMHO. The majority of this board don't even vote and most don't bother to belong to the NRA.

Trying to keep law abiding gun owners out of jail is not "bending to the man" it is saving resources to fight on the front we can win and where we can make changes. It makes perfect sense to me and seems like a sound legal strategy.

If you have some better ideas and the juice to make them reality then by all means, show the rest of us how to stand in defiance and make a difference. Getting arrested on a felony without a strategy is not an answer.

Awesome, it's good to know not everyone in this thread practices the same Liberal kind of crap that 5.56 and some others have when they can't manage to think up an actual response to someone they disagree with.

I've already said I recognize the contributions of Bill and his peers. I just don't personally see the benefit of negotiating with an enemy that's hell bent on legislating you out of existence and think its ultimately counter-productive.

I'm also afraid that my solutions wouldn't be well received here since you're sort of asking. This site doesn't need anyone preaching violence so I won't, but that is indeed what I'm an advocate for at this point.