The gender gap & gun rights

[kaligaran]

That's it. I can't follow this thread anymore. The ignorance here is too blinding and I don't need my blood pressure to be any higher.

From a fellow female calgunner, it takes all of us to change the stereotypes.

If you refuse to help, you're part of the problem.

[Gray Peterson]

That's it. I can't follow this thread anymore. The ignorance here is too blinding and I don't need my blood pressure to be any higher.

From a fellow female calgunner, it takes all of us to change the stereotypes.

If you refuse to help, you're part of the problem.

Tone deafness is what I call it.

[IVC]

Really? Getting children involved is about female leadership?

As much about female leadership as it is about male leadership.

Mothers can take kids to the range too, no?

[IVC]

Tone deafness is what I call it.

In a society where people are equal, tone deafness swings both ways.

[Gray Peterson]

In a society where people are equal, tone deafness swings both ways.

David Gregory proved that wrong.

[Trenchfoot]

As much about female leadership as it is about male leadership.

Mothers can take kids to the range too, no?

If we accept the fact that men are more active in the shooting community, then it stands to reason, that a child's father would be the one more likely to take them shooting. That's not to say women shooters shouldn't be the ones to take kids to the range, but in most of the families I know, Dad is the shooter.

Look at it this way. I have never been to a NASCAR race. Who is more likely to invite me to go with them to a race, my black friends, hispanic friends, asian friends or white friends? In order to grow their market, NASCAR is actively out pursuing women and minorities to get involved either as a participant or a fan. They didn't just say, "Well, if they don't want to be a part of NASCAR, eff 'em, we're not going to reach out to them.".

[IVC]

David Gregory proved that wrong.

Maybe. Time will tell...

[Californio]

David Gregory proved that wrong.

But the next person that gets popped is going to have the David Gregory Defense.

[IVC]

Look at it this way. I have never been to a NASCAR race. Who is more likely to invite me to go with them to a race, my black friends, hispanic friends, asian friends or white friends? In order to grow their market, NASCAR is actively out pursuing women and minorities to get involved either as a participant or a fan. They didn't just say, "Well, if they don't want to be a part of NASCAR, eff 'em, we're not going to reach out to them.".

Those who don't watch NASCAR are not actively trying to ban it. NASCAR is not a civil right.

The analogy is good for the entertainment and sports aspect of shooting, but we are discussing the "other" side of gun ownership, the side that ain't about deer huntin' and plinkin'.

[Tarn_Helm]

Proceed calmly. Read carefully.

I live with 3 women. I have for years.
I don't understand them. I doubt I ever will. I think I have a good idea as to some of their thought process, but learning to understand them is a lost cause and completely unnecessary for the goal at hand.

. . .

Individuality and conviction is entirely looked down upon by Democrats. Anyone speaking in disagreement and with conviction must be ridiculed.

Enjoy your trip down democrat worship lane....

Um.

Where do I start?

Maybe I should point out what I did not say (or mean).

I am not a Democrat.

I do not vote Democrat.

I do not like Lakoff or his politics or his tactics.

(Any more than I "like" Saul Alinsky.)

I do understand his work and his little games.

I do, however, look everywhere for insight into ways to commmunicate our important message more effectively.

If we continue to package our message the same way, we will continue to get the same response.

That's all I meant by what I posted.

Most of the other belligerent stuff you posted will receive the response it deserves: [Crickets].

Real men don't brag about how the Marines turned them into real men.

They were real men before entering.

You did learn the importance of studying your enemy's tactics at some stage of your training, right? (Or is that not taught anymore?)

Let's take a deep breath.

Remember the golden rule?

"Love thy neighbor as thyself."

There's a variant on it that many of us here need to meditate well on.

"Know thy enemy as thyself."

Verbum sit sapientiae satis est.

You and I are on the same side.

(I think.)

[Trenchfoot]

Those who don't watch NASCAR are not actively trying to ban it. NASCAR is not a civil right.

The analogy is good for the entertainment and sports aspect of shooting, but we are discussing the "other" side of gun ownership, the side that ain't about deer huntin' and plinkin'.

What I believe you are basically saying is that all Americans should be pro 2A with little restrictions, because it's in the Constitution, and it is their right. (correct me if I am wrong) I agree, but I think you are missing what I am saying.

What I am saying is that people defend things that they think affect them. There are non gun owners out there that don't have a strong opinion either way on gun control because they don't think it affects them as non gun owners. The goal is to get to those people and show them that it does affect them. And the best way is to get them involved.

In the same way, the 14th Amendment is clear on birthright citizenship, but there are 93 GOP members that want to strip citizenship away from people who were born and lived their whole lives in the US, based on the fact that their parents came here illegally. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1868/show

Now why isn't there the same outrage among gun owners about this affront to the Constitution? Because only 27% of gun owners are asian or latino, the two groups with the highest percentage of illegal immigration in the US. Most of us probably don't have any illegal immigrants in our immediate families, so our "birthright" wouldn't be denied.

tl:dr,
We need to show on-the-fence people that even though they may not own guns, the 2A still ensures their pursuit of the American dream. We shouldn't deride them for not caring, we need to show them that they should care.

[Fundamentals]

I come from the other side. I found my grandfather's pistol one time when I was young. I asked him if he could teach me to use it. His response was along the lines of, "Women don't do those things." Now, I am making up for lost time.

It is not just that aspect of it though, it is the whole encompassing culture that still drives many socialization events in childhood. You think boys have it bad when they play fight on the school grounds and get caught? Try growing up as a tomboy. Any masculine traits I had were constantly under assault to be suppressed by the adults around me. I was supposed to be playing with dolls or socializing with other girls, not acting as a block in tackle football or horsing around with the boys. Not to mention the constant parade of "calming" colored clothes, such as pastels.

The girls who are raised by flexible parents are very lucky indeed. They are not forced into gender roles. The rest of us who are pushed into molds from day one, have to fight tooth and nail to not believe any of that mess. It took me years to realize that violence is a part of life, and that it is okay to have the aggressive urges that I have, as long as I have an outlet that will not hurt my fellow man unless he threatens my prosperity and safety.

Tldr; raise your daughters differently. Educate your nieces, your cousins, your grandchildren. Do not let them be pushed into the stereotypes. We women have over 200 different hormones, including testosterone - help us grow to our full potential.

[AlexDD]

Why don't we piss off all the women, that way with the leftover non gun males they can repeal the second amendment. Though not likely, can we just stop.

We should be doing every thing in collective our power to bring democrats and women to the 2A side.

That NRA newsmax article said basically that 64% of democrats and 60% of non gun owners do not see the NRA in a positive light.

That doesn't give the warm and fuzzies no matter how many republicans feel differently. I would love to know the stats on women for the same survey.

Let's stop alienating others we want to draw to our side.

Also, I bet there will be more women put on the supreme court also!!

[Trenchfoot]

http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/

Just a few stats on gun ownership.

[SilverTauron]

Lets set aside the macho BS and get back to basics here.

Bottom line, women are the future voting power in America no matter what our individual thoughts are on Misandry vs Misogyny. If we don't want to see our Constitutional rights voted into the landfill of history, we need to get them to LIKE the 2A.

Step 1, we need to be responsible gun owners. Joe Dirt is out there, and he'll show off his brother's .50 AE Desert Eagle to the girls he knows if he feels like it, finger on the trigger and 4 rules be damned. We can't afford to be in the 2nd Amendment closet-tell people you carry, and then never show the gun to anyone. When your at the range, be the safest shooter you can be. You'll change minds without ever knowing it.

Step 2, leave your ego at the door. That goes for guys and girls. Guys need to quit acting like being male equates to shooting ability, and women need to put aside cultural baggage that says guns are tools of violence and male aggression. It takes two to tango, as the saying goes.

Step 3, we need to get the Democratic Party to accept the 2nd Amendment as a creed. I say this realizing its a pipe dream to rival faster then light space travel, but our rights are going nowhere fast with the GOP as its champion. Like it or not our country's political trend is turning left with every election;and the GOP is a sinking ship, a political Titanic in progress. I don't say this lightly-I am a registered Republican-but the leadership of the GOP is stuck in the 1950s. Unless they become a centrist-liberal party with a quickness, they'll be sent to the dustbin of history-and so will the RKBA if its tied to the GOP. California is a great example of this sad situation;since the RKBA is foreign to the Democrats in CA politics, the entire civil right has been marginalized from state politics. The same thing will take place nationally so long as the GOP is the only electable party championing the 2nd Amendment.