The gender gap & gun rights

[Marthor]

After looking at an anti-NRA white house petition signatures I see most of the them are women signing it. This reality has made me come to grips with the fact that women voters are a bigger threat to the constitution than i realized before.

look at the signatures and see mostly women

The 2 most recent appointees to the supreme court were women. Obama could have easily appointed a liberal man judge, but his goal is to pander to women voters. The "war on women" theme in 2012 was manufactured and successful because no matter what, all the Dems need to do is get more women votes to win.

So, how do we influence these women and thus influence the polls and thus influence the elections? If a majority of women don't support the 2A, it's the greatest threat.

The term used to describe independent swing women voters is "soccer moms". Most kids raised today are in single mother homes. I'd use the term "single moms" to describe the typical democrat women voters. They don't have a husband and use government assistance as their stand-in husband helper.

School shootings are a threat to their kids. We need to convince all these soccer moms and single moms that guns can protect their kids in schools. It can be additional police or security guards. It can be letting teachers use their CCW permit on school grounds. It can also be having a few volunteer teachers be trained with Tasers as part of the solution.

If we aren't reaching across gender lines better, we are losing on all fronts.

Poll Link

"There's also a gender gap, with 41% of men saying say support major restrictions or an outright ban, with that number jumping to 62% among women."

[bbq_ribs]

Well, part of that problem is the "get back in the kitchen, dumb girl, make me a sandwich" old boy mentality that too many in the pro-2A community exhibit. Won't make any friends that way.
Too many see "pro gun = Bible carrying, Jesus screeching, anti-choice, misogynist pig man" and that's what needs to change. Seriously. Women bashing is going to get the movement nowhere fast.

What is more likely to help is involving them in the process. Explaining the self-defense ideals, which women are actually more likely to encounter.

[Meplat]

Geez, immediate response from the unhelpful, and opinionated, on both sides! I believe that women in fact saved our @$$ on handguns and CCW. I think enough women saw the light that neither big brother government nor hubby could be there 100% of the time and helped advance the CCW movement across the nation. You don’t hear the ‘Saturday night special’ language bandied about by the press and the Bradys, accept rarely, anymore. They know they have lost that fight; and they lost it to women. You go girls!

[vector16]

So, how do we influence these women and thus influence the polls and thus influence the elections?

Hey all you you that have wives, girl friends and mothers. You need to get them to want to own a gun and then go with them when they finally decide to buy one. leave hints all the time about how dangerous the streets are and how much daneger they are acctually in. If they say they live in a safe area, find the crime reports every day and make some sort of a thing about it. tell them that criminals don't want to rob poor people they are targeting people in safe, unsuspecting areas.
Once they own a gun that they like, whether it be a .380 with pink and gold leaf trim or dimond studs in the handle etc, trhey will not want to give that thing up EVER. That is what I did with my girl. I took a left wing liberal and changed her outlook to a Rush loving, 640am listening, right wing activist, democrat hating, women my Great Grandfather would love. It did not take too long either. maybe 2 months. Take her shooting every weekend and get her to think that she is better at it than you are amd it is something that you can do together.

[donny douchebag]

Dunno 'bout you all but the very last thing I want is for women to be anything remotely like men.

[vector16]

Dunno 'bout you all but the very last thing I want is for women to be anything remotely like men.

If you want to be able to play with your toys and go fishing with the guys whenever the heck you want to then they need to be able to go do the same kind of activity with the girls and think that they can always out do you. AND you let them sometimes.
Pay attention, don't loose focus on what we are trying to accomplish here, chief.

[Marthor]

I don't have anything against Wayne LaPierre, but what if the head of the NRA was a woman? I think that would be a disruptive game changer for the positive.

If the NRA is our 2A leading lobby group and spokesperson, then I want it to do a full-court press at appealing to women.

. They know they have lost that fight; and they lost it to women. You go girls!

Exactly! Win over women and we win the war!

[wildhawker]

Uhm, do you really wonder why gun rights has such a gender gap with statements like, "I agree with you completely, but we're talking about WOMEN here. Women aren't exactly known for rational, logical thinking, especially when it comes to little children, ponies, their vaginas and the aftermaths of school shootings. Didn't a considerable amount of women vote for Obama also? Women operate on emotion and that's why they'll never be on board with pro-2A folk even if you spell it out for them."

Ignore, or worse, insult, a core constituency at our peril.

-Brandon

[vector16]

Uhm, do you really wonder why gun rights has such a gender gap with statements like, "I agree with you completely, but we're talking about WOMEN here. Women aren't exactly known for rational, logical thinking, especially when it comes to little children, ponies, their vaginas and the aftermaths of school shootings. Didn't a considerable amount of women vote for Obama also? Women operate on emotion and that's why they'll never be on board with pro-2A folk even if you spell it out for them."

Ignore, or worse, insult, a core constituency at our peril.

-Brandon

If you convice them it could have been their children, which it could have been, women would be the first pick up arms and go get the SOB that killed their child. My anti-gun mother went and bought a gun after this CT shooting happened. She was a teacher for 35 years.

[dave_cg]

The appeal to women is self-defense. Look at how many women take (and pay for) self-defense courses where they are told things like how to hold their car keys so that their fist is stronger and pointier.

Maybe if it was pointed out to them that firearms are an option, at least in places where it hasn't been denied by non-issue CCW, they might see things differently. Point out that firearms are more effective at greater distance than pepper spray or vomiting on your attacker. Also, point out that the chance of a firearm being used against the victim is far less than pepper spray being used against the victim.

Really, I just don't think women see firearms as an option for themselves simply because they lack an understanding of them. Also, look at your favorite gun shop. Then look in your wife's closet -- the shoe rack probably has some stylish pumps for a night out, and some practical, comfortable pumps that get her feet through 8 hours at work. Do you see any "tactical pumps" in there? Nope. The average gun store is a threatening place for the average soccer mom to walk into unless she is highly motivated.

If I had an FFL, I'd open a second shop down the street from the main shop and call it a "self defense store". Stock it with lots of non-FFL self-defense items, lots of concealed carry purses and such, and have just a few stylish handguns in the corner. Adjust the decor, stock presentation, and staff appearance to make it just as inviting to walk into as the family shoe store next door. Sell them pepper spray and DVD's, let them browse the concealed-carry purses, and subtly let them know that guns are an option. Send them home with flyers about upcoming classes.

When soccer mom's start asking the sheriff why they and their college-age daughters are being disarmed, we win. It will be a long, slow education process. The first step is women need to understand that guns are an option for them, and that they are fully as capable of operating a handgun as they are of driving the mini-van.

[madjack956]

I don't have anything against Wayne LaPierre, but what if the head of the NRA was a woman? I think that would be a disruptive game changer for the positive.

If the NRA is our 2A leading lobby group and spokesperson, then I want it to do a full-court press at appealing to women.




Exactly! Win over women and we win the war!

Now your on to something Marthor!

Remember when you were a kid dating and you had to meet the girls family.

Well my dad taught me something early on. He told me not to worry about the dad, just be real nice to the mom. If you win her over, the ol' man will fall into place. He was right.

I think the right woman, being a spokesperson for the NRA would do us a lot of good right now. The sooner, the better.

[Marthor]

We're about to have the big AWB fight and big debate in January. I don't want any distraction of trying to switch leadership right this moment. Some good women 2A advocates need to be given the microphone. I know there are several.

[supermanuf]

The NRA needs to cough up some dough and hire Brad Pitt as their front man. He's an unapologetic supporter of the 2A, and he'd bring the women back in droves. Johnny Depp, too. Because the antis are winning the "culture war." We've all seen that video of the anti-gun celebrities. Time to get some A list starpower on our side--Chuck Norris and R. Lee Ermey don't exactly make our image more appealing to women.

[Marthor]

The NRA needs to cough up some dough and hire Brad Pitt as their front man. He's an unapologetic supporter of the 2A, and he'd bring the women back in droves.

Whatever works.

[vector16]

The NRA needs to cough up some dough and hire Brad Pitt as their front man. He's an unapologetic supporter of the 2A, and he'd bring the women back in droves.

Brad Pit is an devoted Obama supporter and so is his wife. I think he'd loose the president out of his pocket if he took that stand. He may have been pro-gun at one time but after the CT shooting he has probably changed his mind AGAIN