The gender gap & gun rights

[IVC]

Like-ability has a lot to do with perception of civil rights battles in a political & legislative arena.

Civil rights exist independently from the political arena. The lack of likeability cannot be used as an excuse to be against civil rights for someone who allegedly supports all civil rights.

This thread is about reaching out to women in order to get support for the civil rights aspect of 2A. I find it offensive that we as a community are taking it for granted that it is acceptable for most women NOT to support civil rights just because they don't like the messenger, or because they might not like the civil right in question. Can't we just call it what it is - a bigotry?

After all, I couldn't say with any legitimacy something along the lines: "I don't support women's rights in the Middle East because I think Hillary is an angry woman. Unless she changes, I won't support women's rights." However, this is the kind of "pass" we condone by discussing "reaching out to women" as a means to gain support for a civil right.

[glbtrottr]

Unless we learn to understand what drives the other 50% of the electorate and why, we Second Amendment supporters will not become able to enlist large-scale support from female voters in America.

I live with 3 women. I have for years.
I don't understand them. I doubt I ever will. I think I have a good idea as to some of their thought process, but learning to understand them is a lost cause and completely unnecessary for the goal at hand.


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Yup, I guess they know how to shoot a little as well.

Ideology seems to have biological roots.

Culture and history also play a role.

American women have a largely skewed sense of reality colored by entitlement and with a stronger anti-male foundation. No other culture is more anti-male than the United States of America. From any angle you want to view it, from the amount of money that you see spent on breast cancer versus prostate cancer, from the amount of organizations that focus on women's issues versus men, on and on...this is simply a pro-woman society with men largely marginalized.

Lakoff's linguistic research can teach all of us a lot--men and women--about ourselves.

Lakoff is a sycophant, a moron, an idiot, a fake, and a condescending puke. Sophistry at its finest.



While there's no doubt that men and women's wiring is fundamentally different, and it doesn't take a genius to figure it out, Lakoff makes some ridiculous assertions comparing conservatives versus liberals (whom he refers to as "progressives") that are downright polarizing. He's nothing more than an academically trained hypocrite who panders to democrats for money, going so far as to bring his "little blue book" (comparable to Mao's little red book) into the conversation and talking about Global Warming, a topic he is completely unqualified to know squat about.

Consider the comparisons he makes:



So let me get this straight: Conservative parents have no morals, are deceptive, puritanical and have selfish politics? Shoot, I'm not a conservative parent, but if I was, I'd want to shoot myself in the head with an assault rifle!

This is just one area we need to map out and figure out if we are going to succeed in enlisting the Second Amendment support of female voters in America.

Surely. Put your money where your mouth is. You don't enlist women by "listening to them". You actively engage them. Women don't subscribe to sissy little men who "listen to them" but rather to men who lead in whatever pursuit they indulge in, and bring them into his world.

Here are the girls spending quality time with some guy named Colonel Grossman. They enlist each of their friends in 2A conversations. Yes, I hate my dopey picture; bad hair day. Only sharing it to make the point.


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They make their own firearms to shoot...


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And they cook and clean to boot while holding full time jobs.

It might sound like a trite, sexist cliche, but ask any woman: How you talk about something matters a lot.

Snore.

Regardless of "how" you talk to women, the conversation is immaterial. They are bombarded with pop psychology and easy fixes, rather than righteousness and higher values.

Place them in a position to make difficult choices, and their own brains bombard them with analysis paralysis, too many choices, fear of failure, all combined with the very nurturing Lakoff likes to capitalize on.

Women aren't stupid. In fact, they graduate from college more often statistically than men do, as a single indicator of accomplishment or intelligence; one of my favorite cases to discuss with them is Warren versus DC - a curious line to discuss:

" For the next fourteen hours the captive women were raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon one another, and made to submit to the sexual demands of Kent and Morse."

What would SHE do?

That generally is an interesting discussion point about "waiting for the police", "banning guns", protecting one self and more.

The finding of the court?

"Warren was not entitled to remedy at the bar despite the demonstrable abuse and ineptitude on the part of the police because no special relationship existed."

Conclusion?

"police personnel and the government employing them owe no duty to victims of criminal acts and thus are not liable for a failure to provide adequate police protection"

What would SHE do?

The more important decision, the Supreme Court case Castle Rock vs Gonzales, has a woman who sued the Police for failure to enforce a restraining order, resulting in the murder of her 3 children by her estranged husband. The court held that the police had no duty to protect them.

There is a wonderful moment that takes place when women who listen with an open mind, faced with these rulings and accept their existence, ask the question: what then, is the job of the Police?

Equally important is how you listen: You Just Don't Understand: Women and Men in Conversation .

Let me know how those listening classes go, ok?

There is a lot of homework to do.....

You bet. The US Marine Corps teaches masculinity classes; the downside is you have to sign a 4 year contract.

It is no coincidence that Lakoff, author of Moral Politics and Democrat, is trying to figure out how to package the Democrat message...We need to learn how to do what he advises the Democrat party to do

Who cares about the democratic message? Why play into their stupid tune? Play your own message: the government is here to protect itself, not you. Do your best to take care of yourself and your loved ones, and protest people charging you money for services they simply don't provide you.

The Democrats seem to know how to speak the language of the vast majority of female voters in America.

The democrats cater to everything that is wrong with this culture, along with the destruction of the fabric of this country, the subjugation of traditional values, the dislike of anything that doesn't agree with them, outright discrimination of thought with conviction, hateful practices against anyone that isn't all accepting.

Individuality and conviction is entirely looked down upon by Democrats. Anyone speaking in disagreement and with conviction must be ridiculed.

Enjoy your trip down democrat worship lane....

[wildhawker]

Ignoring tactics that work make quick work of losing.

-Brandon

[IVC]

Ignoring tactics that work make quick work of losing.

There are multiple simultaneous battles with multiple disparate tactics. Some battles are more critical to winning the war than others.

[wildhawker]

There are multiple simultaneous battles with multiple disparate tactics. Some battles are more critical to winning the war than others.

If anyone thinks we can ignore Gen Y, women, and minorities and win, please mail whatever you're smoking to 751 Laurel Street Suite 935, San Carlos, CA 94070.

-Brandon

[IVC]

If anyone thinks we can ignore Gen Y, women, and minorities and win, please mail whatever you're smoking to 751 Laurel Street Suite 935, San Carlos, CA 94070.

We need them for enforcing our civil rights as much as African Americans needed the support of the Southern Democrats to end segregation.

If they go along, it helps. If they don't go along, it's still civil rights. Believing that we need some sort of "majority consensus" for establishing civil rights is contradictory to the very definition of a civil right.

[kaligaran]

This thread is so full of fail it's not even funny.

Have any of you 'men' ever considered that perhaps a lot of the gender bias may be created by men?

Think about it. Do you take your daughters, sisters or mothers out shooting, hunting or camping? What about your sons/dads/brothers? Do you actively try to get them involved in outdoor activities? Especially from a young age.

Growing up in Tennessee females were more active in outdoor and shooting sports. Because that was part of the culture.

My father involved me in all activities when I was a child. I was treated no differently than a son. As a result, I didn't grow up with the gender bias that most young girls do.
I believe that as a direct result, I started shooting competitively when I was 12 or 13 in a school skeet team, I am an engineer by trade (another predominately male profession) and am a proud gun owner and 2A advocate.

A lot of this is nurture, NOT nature. And I assure you that the thinking and posts in this thread is what contributes to it significantly.

EDIT: I should also mention the school skeet team I was a part of was a GIRLS ONLY private school who competed against co-ed (read male mostly) schools in the county. And we had some of the highest scores consistently in the county.

[wildhawker]

We need them for enforcing our civil rights as much as African Americans needed the support of the Southern Democrats to end segregation.

If they go along, it helps. If they don't go along, it's still civil rights. Believing that we need some sort of "majority consensus" for establishing civil rights is contradictory to the very definition of a civil right.

Right...

Boy, that ideological purity is sure working wonderfully in the real world for... Wait. That's right. It's not.

We're going to win some core issues in the courts. We're going to have to develop a new culture and consensus for the rest of it. You won't like what you're left with if all you have is the former.

-Brandon

[IVC]

Boy, that ideological purity is sure working wonderfully in the real world for... Wait. That's right. It's not.

We're going to win some core issues in the courts. We're going to have to develop a new culture and consensus for the rest of it. You won't like what you're left with if all you have is the former.

It's not "ideological purity," it's only establishing the starting positions. I am all for outreach and having everybody start loving and understanding gun owners, just that in case they don't (because we are not "nice people"), the facts are still on our side.

As for the "culture and consensus," it's applicable only to the aspects that are NOT part of the core right. A "carry" ruling for our side and striking down a single AWB is pretty much all we need to avoid future drama. If we can get that through courts, I can do without a group hug.

[kaligaran]

Do a quick google search, female gun ownership, you'll find things like this:

http://statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/

Source: Gallup Inc, Gun Owners of America
male gun ownership 43%
female gun ownership 35%

That's not much of a difference.

But I would say that as a woman (ya know with a vagina), listening to the misogynistic bull**** in this thread would really turn me off of supporting calguns if I was just borderline on the issue. Lucky, I realize the ignorance being spewed here is just by people that don't know any better.

Think before posting and contributing to the ignorance. No wonder the NRA has a reputation of being a 'boys club'.

Also, get the females in your life more involved ESPECIALLY from a young age. Break this cycle of 'male-dominated' anything. It's all about the culture, don't contribute to it.
And luckily that culture is finally changing as gender roles/stereotypes are being challenged.

And thank you Brandon for being a male voice of reason in this thread. We need more people like you to call out the foolishness.

[OHOD]

I agree with you completely, but we're talking about WOMEN here. Women aren't exactly known for rational, logical thinking, especially when it comes to little children, ponies, their vaginas and the aftermaths of school shootings. Didn't a considerable amount of women vote for Obama also? Women operate on emotion and that's why they'll never be on board with pro-2A folk even if you spell it out for them.

GUNS ARE SCARY!!!!!1111

Asshule of a comment.

I'm a woman and I support 2A.

[OHOD]

Garbage thread!
Apparently there's an intelligence gap in the the community too!
IBTL

About time someone said something.

This thread is full of anti-woman hate.
Which is one of the reasons I have been backing off from participating.

[Californio]

My wife asked her tennis buddies, who voted democrat, why? The main answer was reproduction and their personal control of themselves, not the economy, not social issues, not gun control.

The republican party needs to get out of their Vagina, to start the ball rolling in the right direction.

[IVC]

Also, get the females in your life more involved ESPECIALLY from a young age. Break this cycle of 'male-dominated' anything. It's all about the culture, don't contribute to it.
And luckily that culture is finally changing as gender roles/stereotypes are being challenged.

Part of equality is for women to take the leadership role and get more involved instead of asking men to get them move involved. Your statement implies certain gender inequality which is sexist.

[kaligaran]

Part of equality is for women to take the leadership role and get more involved instead of asking men to get them move involved. Your statement implies certain gender inequality which is sexist.

Really? Getting children involved is about female leadership?

Perhaps you missed the part about 'ESPECIALLY AT A YOUNG AGE'.

Wow... just wow...

EDIT: remember, the topic is about gender bias right now. How bout help break the bias. All pro-2A women I know that have children take daughters shooting. I can't say the same for all the men I know that have daughters.