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The speech was okay. However, blaming the entertainment industry for violence is just passing the blame off.
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Dang. USA Today only had the protestor. I admit...it was mildly entertaining. "Get you hand out my pocket!!!!"
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They wouldn't be making these movies, tv shows, and games if they didn't have an audience. Nobody forces people to watch "Natural Born Killers", which was actually social commentary on the glorification of murderers. Nobody makes people play "Grand Theft Auto".
Violence has always been in media, from 1915's "Birth of a Nation", to 2012's "Django unchained". Moral decline can only be put on parenting, or lack therof. It's amazing how much less likely a kid ends up being a criminal when he/she has 2 parents involved in their lives, (whether they are gay, straight, happily married, or even divorced).Comment
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The media answers to the enemy.
If LaPierre said the time was 9:45 AM eastern and left the podium, the headlines would say "NRA SAYS ITS TIME FOR MORE DEATH!".
As for Obama, he can't take any permanent steps against the 2nd Amendment without Congress. Millions of gun owners voted for him in the last election, and he needs their support if he wants any permanent changes in US gun regulation to stick. He won't get it if he signs an Executive Order at 3am establishing gun control by fiat.The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be.
The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be.
-Lao-Tzu, Tau Te Ching. 479 BCE
The 1911 may have been in wars for 100 years, but Masetro Bartolomeo Beretta was arming the world 400 years before John Browning was ever a wet dream.Comment
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I don't think it is. He's putting the discussion right back on the shoulders of those that are saying we should ban guns. They blame guns and then put out violent games and movies. Then the media glorifies the shooter and makes them into some kind of hero. It's hypocritical.
He also spent time placing the real blame on the shooter which is where it ultimately belongs. It was all part of a larger plan to get people to think and stop going after a tool or an inanimate object.Starve the beast, move to a free state.
Bwiese: "You are making the assumption the law is reasonable/has rationale."Comment
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I fully agree with you and would defend their right to make Saw #whatever...The film industry types (mostly), however feel that the 2A is a right that we can make a privilege.
First they cam for the xyz, and I didn't stand up because I wasn't an xyz..
Then they came for me and there was no one to stand up for me..
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LaPierre is a loon(at best).
After hearing that statement I suspect he may be a 'double agent'.
The vast majority of Americans are gonna say "instead of emergency action to put cops at all schools, how about 'emergency action' to seize guns". That is pretty reasonable, because even any American with no "tactical" anything understands guns enough to ask "Why wouldn't a psycho just shoot the cop first???"
What he missed, that rational PRIVATE schools are saying, is it is still extremely safe to send your kids to school, and if you wanted to "protect children" you would be 100X off on more traffic cops going after parents dropping off kids and rushing to work. (I know at least one person who hit a pedestrian partly because they were eyeballing a traffic cop so I'm not sure about 'more traffic cops').
He also missed a pretty rational TV shrink who explained to The View girls that it isn't the guns, it is that Pop CuLast edited by Squid; 12-21-2012, 10:15 AM.Comment
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Ultimately, there's a double standard regarding the 1st Amendment vs the 2nd. If a gun owners weapon is stolen and used in a crime, the gun owner is in some quarters held to be equally responsible as the perpetrator for allowing their weapon to fall into the wrong hands.
Yet, the media is given a pass when they air movies which glorify violence and criminal behavior for cheap ratings. Movie studios green light empty projects with little creative value and then wonder why kids emulate it. In the 50s and 60s kids emulated people like John Wayne and Clint Eastwood. Not the cleanest of guys mind you, but there was moral and creative value to their shows and movies. A 1970s show like Shaft wasn't clean and tidy, but there was moral value in it that you won't find with modern TV shows.
Today we're bombarded with ads and media that show people screwing each other over , acting petty & materialistic and which shows the bad guys winning over the good guys, and the media isn't held to account for ANY of it. Guns get stolen out of an unlocked car, gun owner is held responsible. Media makes a movie that glorifies torture and death,and no one calls them out for it when they get around to bleating the gun control mantra.
I remember the producer for the movie Pulp Fiction making an anti-gun statement before CT happened, and we all had a good laugh on this forum because the guy's gotten filthy rich off of gratuitous gun violence. If civil rights demand equal measure of pesonal responsibility, then the 1st Amendment is in dire need of cultural and perhaps legal reform. Yup, I said it. If we're comfortable with background checks and CCW permits for carrying a firearm, perhaps we need to regulate movies and video games in the same way.
If that suggestion offends you, perhaps you should ask yourself why before typing a response to this.The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be.
The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be.
-Lao-Tzu, Tau Te Ching. 479 BCE
The 1911 may have been in wars for 100 years, but Masetro Bartolomeo Beretta was arming the world 400 years before John Browning was ever a wet dream.Comment
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I thought it was a fantastic address by Lapierre. The point of addressing the media was to point out the thousands and thousands of deadly images children are exposed to. Do parents have no responsibility to keep their kids away from terrible images and toxic chemicals? I mean really how many TV shows these days begin with a rape or murder. It's not Leave It to Beaver out there. Of all the blah blah I hear all week on all the networks this was the first person who had an actual solution that could help protect kids in schools. It is true that today we might as well have a sign on school buildings saying There are no guns here! No one would want to publish a Gun Free Home....well maybe this is what the antis should consider if that is how they truly feel.
I was very impressed, not only with the speech, but with the fact he had a potential solution that can be put in place in weeks without political debate.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.Comment
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Because if we use that line of reasoning, how can we justify defending the 2A if we are so ready to decry what the 1A allows people to do?
People can blame guns or the media all they want for tragic events, it doesn't change the fact that most of the blame falls on parents. Don't get me wrong, you can do everything right and your child may do something crazy, but look at a lot of these school shootings. How many got guns from their house that were unsecured? How many of these young people had known mental health issues that weren't properly addressed? Reports are that Lanza hadn't had any contact with his father in more than 2 years. All of those are failures of parents.
Parenting is a lifelong commitment. You don't just walk away from your kid if you get divorced. It's no surprise that when i was teaching, the most well adjusted kids had parents that were involved in their lives, whether they were gay, straight, married or divorced, and the ones that had parents who would rather go out and score some crack or hit the bars than help their kid with their homework had serious issues.Comment
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Check out how the media is painting this now:
NRA goes on offensive as Americans mourn school shooting
Where were the "Anti's go on the offensive BEFORE even a funeral was held" articles?Comment
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Thats true, but it's one thing for the media to put words in his mouth, thats expected. It's another thing completely for them to be able to use his exact words against him.
He may not be able to directly attack the 2nd by himself, but he can certainly chip away at the edges with orders that wouldnt be blatantly unconstitutional, but that would make importing, buying and owning guns extremely onerous.Comment
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My point is that the media isn't held to account for the consequences of their actions. If Gun Rights were treated like the media is today you could buy a full auto M4 from a vending machine and if the weapon fired from negligent behavior, the police would be banned from even citing you.
We're saying the same thing. Solving the problem of mass shootings requires addressing the core problem of people deciding to commit mass murder. The "WHY?" component of this means facing the consequences of our morally bankrupt media culture and taking steps to fix this. If the media faced the problem like gun owners would, we wouldn't need to even talk about it-because the media would correct themselves like gun owners do when one of "us" screws the pooch.
Yet, since the media is like a drunk 19 year old behind the wheel of her dad's tractor trailer rig, we'll probably need more extreme measures to resolve this-like government regulation. I hate myself for even typing that, but we see the adverse consequences of an unrestrained media all around us. Id rather see morally questionable media be harder to acquire then an accidental flick of a TV remote.The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be.
The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be.
-Lao-Tzu, Tau Te Ching. 479 BCE
The 1911 may have been in wars for 100 years, but Masetro Bartolomeo Beretta was arming the world 400 years before John Browning was ever a wet dream.Comment
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My point is that no matter what he said it would be used against him. If he completely capitulated to the Brady Lobby and said all assault weapons should be banned, they'd say " NRA SUPPORTS HANDGUN VIOLENCE". There's no appeasing someone who's already made up their mind that you're the enemy.
Here's the flaw with that reasoning-he's in office today largely BECAUSE of gun owners. There's 90 million weapon owning Americans , nearly a third of our national population. Had all of them voted for Romney Obama would be on the street, and he knows it. He knows the best way to ensure anti-gun legislation has Congressional support is to divide the 30-30 owners from the handgun owners from the AR15 owners. He can do that by taking the stance that he's not anti gun mind you, he just wants to do something about the violence. That stance goes out the window the moment he signs an EO which affects all gun owners.The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be.
The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be.
-Lao-Tzu, Tau Te Ching. 479 BCE
The 1911 may have been in wars for 100 years, but Masetro Bartolomeo Beretta was arming the world 400 years before John Browning was ever a wet dream.Comment
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