NRA Press Conference (8am)

[LMTluvr]

Friggn Libtards. They really are a clueless breed aren't they?
If some pro gun types were even half that vocal they'd be casrtrated by the media and probably physically attacked. These cowards royally piss me off.

[Khanan]

NRA has plenty of good to stand on. The program proposed is right. Bringing up that more needs to be done out of mental illness is right.

Saying hey look over there at the video games and movies is WRONG.

Why do you throw the first amendment under the bus while trying to defend the second? Isn't it the NRA that states that the second amendment is there to protect the first? Now is the time to stand strong and not try and draw attention away from the fact that gun control has not worked. Draw attention to that and don't try smoke and mirrors and say it is because of the evil {insert distraction here}.

[SilverTauron]

1st part was meh...you don't protect the 2A by blaming the 1A. 2nd part was much better.

Yet to use the language of the anti's, what good is the 1A when its being used to kill people?

I'm a man who believes the government has no right to regulate half the stuff it does, including the 1st Amendment. Yet I share LaPierre's opinion that the media is to blame for a lot of the evil which happens in our society.

Rather then fulfill its mandate to serve as the watchdog of the public, the mainstream media today has sold its soul to idealogical socialism and commercial self interest. That's why a news channel which airs news segments demonizing AR15s and claiming "pass an AWB for our law enforcement" doesn't see the problem with playing a violent action movie like Heat right behind it showing bad guys using AR15s to kill cops. Big surprise that if you show lots of TV and movie events which show a lot of people being callously murdered, someone with mental health issues might decide its OK for them to do it too. Heck, normal people copycat each other all the time-that's why we have the saying of "keeping up with the Joneses".


The media's created a culture where everyone is just one ultra-violent massacre away from cultural immortality. Want to be instantly remembered forever? Take a weapon and kill lots of people in America, the media says. We'll put your name all over the place, blare your acts across HDTV screens constantly, and use your act of filth to make you famous. The shooter in CT would never be known to any of us if he lived a normal life, but because of his vile crimes his name will be forever enshrined in our culture. The shooter in Oregon will be remembered, but the law abiding citizen who helped stop the carnage won't be.

And then we wonder why people are killed en masse. Worse, the media has the nerve to play moralist afterward. The networks blare morally bankrupt material 24/7 365 days a year, and then have the stones to claim us law abiding gun owners are why bad things happen. Its like a spouse who commits adultery and then blames the wronged mate for violating their wedding vows.

To genuninely fix this problem not only requires a reform of our security measures ( buh bye gun free zones in schools and colleges!) , but a reform of how our media goes about its job. A gun owner his held responsible for acts with their weapon which result in bodily injury, death, or criminal behavior. The same rules should apply to Fox News, Paramount Studios and CNN.

[El Toro]

BTW - I hope the NRA has already outlined this program with some coherent talking points. A lot of folks on both sides will want to see it's a program with substance and achievable short/long term goals. Hate to see NRA have to scramble to define the specifics because smart news organizations will want to drill down and look for flaws.

Further, they should create membership drive materials related to this. I can see pop-up booths outside shopping malls where soccer moms are asked to contribute to the Schools Shield program. Just $30 per year Ma'am and you get a free magazine subscription!

[five.five-six]

I didn't get to hear the speech but it sounds like they didn't cave on anything. I just spoke with my wife and We are signing the entire family up for memberships today

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[smogcity]

[QUOTE=Khanan;9976965]
Saying hey look over there at the video games and movies is WRONG.[QUOTE]

The media as a whole has lined up against all gun owners/supporters. They must know they will be dragged in to the fray as the MAIN cause of this and future horrors if they keep throwing their lot in with the knee-jerk banners.

We hang together or we hang separately

[Intimid8tor]

The statement about movies and video games gives perspective. Hollywood and the game industry make huge profits off the idea of gun violence, and some it quite graphic and elaborate, but hypocritically decry the actuality of it. If they were so morally opposed to it, why make money of the pretend version?

I agree. Nowhere did he call for a ban of video games or violent movies, but he brought about the hypocrisy of those in the media for blaming the gun. I don't think games should be banned or regulated any more, but attention needs to be paid as to what are the causes. In general, video games, in many households have become babysitters and therefore their message is what is received. It starts in the home.

[Intimid8tor]

Yet to use the language of the anti's, what good is the 1A when its being used to kill people?

I'm a man who believes the government has no right to regulate half the stuff it does, including the 1st Amendment. Yet I share LaPierre's opinion that the media is to blame for a lot of the evil which happens in our society.

Rather then fulfill its mandate to serve as the watchdog of the public, the mainstream media today has sold its soul to idealogical socialism and commercial self interest. That's why a news channel which airs news segments demonizing AR15s and claiming "pass an AWB for our law enforcement" doesn't see the problem with playing a violent action movie like Heat right behind it showing bad guys using AR15s to kill cops. Big surprise that if you show lots of TV and movie events which show a lot of people being callously murdered, someone with mental health issues might decide its OK for them to do it too. Heck, normal people copycat each other all the time-that's why we have the saying of "keeping up with the Joneses".


The media's created a culture where everyone is just one ultra-violent massacre away from cultural immortality. Want to be instantly remembered forever? Take a weapon and kill lots of people in America, the media says. We'll put your name all over the place, blare your acts across HDTV screens constantly, and use your act of filth to make you famous. The shooter in CT would never be known to any of us if he lived a normal life, but because of his vile crimes his name will be forever enshrined in our culture. The shooter in Oregon will be remembered, but the law abiding citizen who helped stop the carnage won't be.

And then we wonder why people are killed en masse. Worse, the media has the nerve to play moralist afterward. The networks blare morally bankrupt material 24/7 365 days a year, and then have the stones to claim us law abiding gun owners are why bad things happen. Its like a spouse who commits adultery and then blames the wronged mate for violating their wedding vows.

To genuninely fix this problem not only requires a reform of our security measures ( buh bye gun free zones in schools and colleges!) , but a reform of how our media goes about its job. A gun owner his held responsible for acts with their weapon which result in bodily injury, death, or criminal behavior. The same rules should apply to Fox News, Paramount Studios and CNN.

Well said.

[baddos]

I've played video games for years and have no desire to kill or hurt anyone. In fact there was a domestic violence shooting outside of my work a couple years back and it was the worst thing I have ever seen.

Video games while violent and action packed are nothing at all like real life violence. I think it's a far stretch to say one leads to the other.

[GutPunch]

I can't say I fully agree with the comments about the media or video games. However, they did everything else right. Well done.

[joefrank64k]

Were you there? Because I was! And what you said is not accurate.

The fight over the Clinton Gun Ban was almost three years before I became employed with the NRA, but I was involved in the opposition to it.

To state it simply: WE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES NEEDED TO WIN!

This occurred for many reasons including the fact that some of our "friends" abandoned us and voted with Clinton's side. To say that the NRA "folded" or did anything less than the absolute best that anyone could have done is simply not true. And no amount of history revision can change that fact. Like I said, I know because I was directly involved.

BTW, the NRA did have the ability to get the "sunset clause" in the gun ban and that is why it expired in 2004. Even some of the wishy-washy legislators voted for that part. They considered it "splitting the baby."

Oh, and another thing, when the NRA was offered a 20 round mag ban instead of a 10 round limit, if we would just lessen our opposition, we told them NO WAY!!! It's true that we lost and got a 10 round limit. But we did get the sunset clause. We weren't going to make deals when they were taking away our freedoms.

And one more thing: Do you remember the '94 and '96 elections???? The NRA is widely credited for taking away Clinton's majority in response to the gun ban and Brady Bill votes.

"like cheap lawn furniture" indeed!?!?!?!?!?!

Paul

Damn straight.

I remember meeting Wayne LaPierre at the big Pomona Gun Show back then. He was signing copies of his latest book. The NRA was there fighting to the end, and like you pointed out, the fact they got the sunset clause was huge. The SC is the ONLY reason we have access to the weapons and regular-capacity magazines we enjoy today.

Everyone who isn't a member needs to join the NRA right now. I'm a lifer and proud of it.

[00Medic]

Were you there? Because I was! And what you said is not accurate.

Yes. I was there. You are very much correct. I appologize for miss speaking. I do remember the NRA fighting but being out numbered. Again, I apologize.

[jonc]

i think speech was great...

but a week to think about what to say,
should of been better i thought.

[Wildhawk66]

Originally Posted by Wildhawk66 View Post
Liked the overall message and new program. Thought his word/phrasing choices could have been a lot better.

For instance, the "we must act now, we can't afford to wait for congress..." is exactly the type of thing I am expecting from Obama in terms of antigun executive orders and a lot of what was said during this speech could easily be flipped against us.

The NRA can say this, they don't need to wait for congress. O does.

I like how the NRA is showing action while O creates a committee to make proposals.

You completely missed the point of my post. My point was that we can take action and make speeches in such a way that our exact words can't be flipped 180 degrees and used directly against us. There were some problems with this speech from this regard.

Also, you should not be so certain that Obama has to wait for congress to take action. He is a big fan of executive orders and he does not need congressional approval for them.

[edwardm]

Didn't find in while searching the thread, so....

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/AssociationP

C-SPAN footage of the press conference, including the disruptive folks.