Civilians can't see or touch off-list weapons?

[Curley Red]

Sorry for the highjack, but what is SSE? I'm no gun noob, but I don't know what that abbreviation means. In my field of work, SSE stands for "soap suds enema", but I'm guessing that's not what is meant in the firearms shopping context!

Single shot exemption.

[Connor P Price]

untrue.

the law basically reads as all handguns are considered to be unsafe handguns unless they are listed on the roster.


31910. As used in this part, "unsafe handgun" means any pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person, for which any of the following is true:



Then, if they are listed on the roster, they are considered "not unsafe", not that they are safe.

You're right, I guess its been a while since I've read that. I was thinking that they haven't necessarily been tested and failed thereby earning their "unsafe" title. Turns out "unsafe" is just a handguns natural state of being.

[AK all day]

Threads like these always confuse me. Takes what I Thougt I knew, and makes me think I didn't really know it. I thought you could PPT off list pistols??

[Renaissance Redneck]

Single shot exemption.

Gotcha! Thanks. I do know about the exemption, but was unaware of the abbreviation. Thanks again.

[Connor P Price]

Threads like these always confuse me. Takes what I Thougt I knew, and makes me think I didn't really know it. I thought you could PPT off list pistols??

You can.

[Bhobbs]

Threads like these always confuse me. Takes what I Thougt I knew, and makes me think I didn't really know it. I thought you could PPT off list pistols??

You can but the dealer owned that XDm, not a private person.

[bigdawg86]

IMO Ammo Bro's is always psycho busy...so why waste time showing you and shooting the **** about a gun that you can't purchase? Maybe if you were the only person in the store and say wanted to see a off roster gun because you were considering a SSE...then they could show it, but otherwise it's not worth their time.

[gunnerstuff]

California elitist bureaucrats have deemed you unworthy.

[Legasat]

I fondled a gun not on the CA Roster not 2 weeks ago at a shop in San Diego. They were happy to show it to me.

Sounds like it just the policy of the shop.

[JackRydden224]

I didn't ask. It was 5 minutes before closing. I also didn't think it mattered at the time because either way I was not going to push the employee to let me see it. Store policy or CA Law it was out of his hands.

I guess I'll have have to find another shop that will let me fondle a XDm.

[PM720]

I had the same thing hapen at the Ontario store. I was looking at the LC9 and wanted to do a side by side comparison with the LCP and was told the same thing. No biggie to me as I already own an LCP. Like anyone these days I am sure they are just practicing CYA. Blame the government for that. They are always looking for the slightest reason to yank FFL's these days and I am sure a sucessful business like Ammo Bros does not want to take the risk, whatever that might be. They always treat me well there and I will continue to do business with them.

[curtisfong]

Honestly, this doesn't bother me. Like others have said, they can't sell it to you anyway; why should they let you touch it if nothing they do is going to result in a sale?

Now, if said store offered turnkey SSE ... thats another thing.

[Dreaded Claymore]

Eh? What is this?

Now, if said store offered turnkey SSE ... thats another thing.

What's "turnkey" SSE?

[duggan]

LEO's are civilians unless they also happen to be in the military.

[Gunsmith Dan]

If you look at the law carefully they were legally correct in saying it would be illegal to even let you hold the firearm.

If you noticed the words "gives" and "lend" it should be quite obvious. The act of handing you the firearm to look at is the act of giving, then letting you hold it for a time period is the act of lending the firearm to you on a temp basis.

The guns are considered "unsafe" until they are tested. Currently I believe a manufacturer has to provide 10 working samples of each firearm model they want to sell, pay $5000 to the State approved Labs for EACH firearm they submit and do it all over every year.

Sounds crazy but that is how the law is .... crazy.

Ohh FYI unlike Hornswaggled don't go around naming shops that are friendly to or finding legal exemptions to the law. It is hard enough to run a business without getting extra surprise inspections interferring with legal business because of posts that get the gun grabbers in a frenzie. There is plenty of gun grabbers scanning sites like Calguns looking for info to make life hell for gun shops by calling and emailing CA DOJ.