Civilians can't see or touch off-list weapons?

[JackRydden224]

While I was at Ammo Bros Ontario picking up my SR22 today I asked one of the employees there if he can show me the XDm. I made it clear that I understand I cannot buy it since it is off list. I just wanted to see it and handle it. He then told me that since I'm not LE he cannot even take it out of the display case.

Is this true?

[ke6guj]

32000. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who
manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state
for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends
any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county
jail not exceeding one year.


that's the law regarding unsafe handguns. There is an exemption for LE sales. Does the act of pulling the handgun out of the case to let you fondle it violate 3200?

[JackRydden224]

32000. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who
manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state
for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends
any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county
jail not exceeding one year.

I would assume that an off-roster handgun even without a magazine is considered to be dangerous? Really, California, REALLY?

Good Lord I shouldn't be surprised. If anything the manufacturers should file a joint law suit against the state of California for interfering with free commerce.

[pdq_wizzard]

find another gun shop, I can fondle any gun in the LEO case at the shop in town.

[pdq_wizzard]

32000. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who
manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state
for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends
any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county
jail not exceeding one year.


that's the law regarding unsafe handguns. There is an exemption for LE sales. Does the act of pulling the handgun out of the case to let you fondle it violate 3200?

Its not a gun with out ammo, its just a brick.

[five.five-six]

The point of letting your fondle and risk damage is to entice you to buy it, if you CAN'T buy it, why should they risk your scratching it up

[IrishPirate]

did he say it was against the law, or against the rules?

[Ron-Solo]

The point of letting your fondle and risk damage is to entice you to buy it, if you CAN'T buy it, why should they risk your scratching it up

did he say it was against the law, or against the rules?

This is what I'm thinking. Scratched guns don't sell as easy.

[hornswaggled]

That would end my gun buying relationship with that shop. I won't buy any guns from shops that refuse to do SSEs while other gun shops are going the extra mile to get civilians the handguns they should be entitled to. Even if I want a rifle, I take my business to the DAS'es and Parallax Tacticals of the world. Shops that do SSEs get ALL my gun business.

[rromeo]

The title is misleading, because generally the reverse is true.

[halifax]

Here is a related thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=596936

[choprzrul]

If a gun is deamed to be unsafe, and a LEO shoots me with one, would that open up the LEO and his department to civil lawsuits?

Has it been tried yet?

.

[Connor P Price]

If a gun is deamed to be unsafe, and a LEO shoots me with one, would that open up the LEO and his department to civil lawsuits?

Has it been tried yet?

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Off list guns aren't deemed unsafe, they're just not on the list is all. Listed guns are deemed "not unsafe" though. This doesn't necessarily mean that off list guns are specifically unsafe, in many or maybe even most cases it means that our handlers just haven't tested them out to make sure they're ok for us to have yet.

[ke6guj]

Off list guns aren't deemed unsafe, they're just not on the list is all. Listed guns are deemed "not unsafe" though. This doesn't necessarily mean that off list guns are specifically unsafe, in many or maybe even most cases it means that our handlers just haven't tested them out to make sure they're ok for us to have yet.

untrue.

the law basically reads as all handguns are considered to be unsafe handguns unless they are listed on the roster.


31910. As used in this part, "unsafe handgun" means any pistol,
revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person, for which any of the following is true:



Then, if they are listed on the roster, they are considered "not unsafe", not that they are safe.

[Renaissance Redneck]

I won't buy any guns from shops that refuse to do SSEs . . . .

Sorry for the highjack, but what is SSE? I'm no gun noob, but I don't know what that abbreviation means. In my field of work, SSE stands for "soap suds enema", but I'm guessing that's not what is meant in the firearms shopping context!