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  • IEShooter
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 1101

    Clock keeps ticking

    Originally posted by IEShooter
    Everyone needs to step back, take a deep breath and relax.

    SB-249 as it now stands 'bans' nothing. It is still a mess and despite claims that an "improved" version is about to be released, we've seen nothing.

    This is because the good Senator and his staff are still grappling with how they are going to accomplish their true goal, which is to get all existing 'evil' guns out of the state, and ban all future ones.

    They could choose to ban just the bullet button, but then we'd go featureless on AR's and AK's, AND remove our bullet buttons. This irks them to no end as 600,000 'evil' guns would still be here and the number would continue to grow.

    They could choose to ban bullet buttons, guns with "features" and guns that are "featureless. However, that is basically a ban on all semi-automatic rifles. We would easily get a stay and ultimately have it overturned, and they know this.

    They could choose the traditional and legally safe approach of grandfathering in all existing OLL's and "evil" guns with features and banning all future ones. They won't do this because it means opening up the AW registry to 600,000+ "evil" guns. Not only that, but we'd then remove our bullet buttons on our newly registered AW's and mail them to the good Senator with a heartfelt note of thanks.

    Lastly, they could choose to ban bullet buttons and guns with features, force us to turn them in and compensate us for our loss. This avoids an illegal taking, but alas, they don't have an extra $750,000,000 lying around they can put their hand to.

    The good senator is trying to remain true to his convictions, which is getting all these evil guns out of state by crafting legislation that he can find votes for, banishes existing and future evil guns, AND that will survive a court challenge.

    The problem is, he can't. My prediction is, he'll still try, if for nothing else to save face. His problem is none of the legally viable options accomplishes what he really wants.

    Game, set, match.
    As if all the above wasn't bad enough for the poor Senator, this legislative session ends in less than a month. He has to re-write the bill, then get it all the way through the entire process.

    None of the legally viable paths available to him achieve what he wants and the more he rushes to craft the language, the worse the final bill will look. This in turn, makes it even easier for us to get it stayed and overturned.

    Senator, we're waiting....

    Tick tock, tick tock.......

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    • mrrsquared79
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 807

      Originally posted by pennys dad
      Lets put together a CALGUNS group and go visit Chris.
      Lets pick a date and go
      I would be happen to put my dancing shoes on!!

      I am available any day at any time as I am back in school and a victim of the poor economy as well as formerly self employed...I am now what is called a house husband or homemaker!
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      • Mr.Sandman
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 557

        Originally posted by the_quark
        No, the goal is glory and press for Senator Lee. Which he'll get regardless of what happens. It is much better for him personally in San Francisco to fight and lose (either in the legislature or the courts) than it is to surrender.
        Pretty much, this is another of his holy warrior moments. I guess he got even more encouraged after his violent video game loss. He will continue to move up the chain of unconstitutionality until his name is cemented in national lore.

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        • Left Coast Conservative
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          • Feb 2010
          • 276

          Originally posted by the_quark
          No, the goal is glory and press for Senator Lee. Which he'll get regardless of what happens. It is much better for him personally in San Francisco to fight and lose (either in the legislature or the courts) than it is to surrender.
          Is this all just a PR stunt to burnish Sen. Yee's credentials with certain groups of constituents? I can hear Yee now:

          "Look, I tried to do something, but that evil NRA blocked me at every turn! I need help, I need your donations to me re-election campaign..."
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          • jonzer77
            • Jul 2010
            • 8525

            Originally posted by the_quark
            No, the goal is glory and press for Senator Lee. Which he'll get regardless of what happens. It is much better for him personally in San Francisco to fight and lose (either in the legislature or the courts) than it is to surrender.
            Then he will get a nice big participation award
            Originally posted by barrage
            That's because Excelsior threads are like toilet bowls. They're made for crapping in and occasionally pissing on the side of.

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            • senorpeligro
              Senior Member
              CGN Contributor
              • Jun 2011
              • 508

              Originally posted by the_quark
              No, the goal is glory and press for Senator Lee. Which he'll get regardless of what happens. It is much better for him personally in San Francisco to fight and lose (either in the legislature or the courts) than it is to surrender.
              Can't wait for him to rack up a $1.8m+ bill in legal fees for the state again.

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              • Mr.Sandman
                Senior Member
                • May 2011
                • 557

                Originally posted by senorpeligro
                Can't wait for him to rack up a $1.8m+ bill in legal fees for the citizens again.

                http://sacb.ee/wVH7R2
                Fixed

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                • mrrsquared79
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 807

                  Originally posted by Cnynrat
                  If you aren't comfortable speaking as an individual, with knowledge of the issues, why would you consider meeting with your representative? Ok, just sit back and criticize then...some of us would like to have facts in hand and be prepared should the need arise to support our position instead of sitting down with our legislators and telling them to vote one way or another. Being prepared shows respect and provokes respect, lends credibility, and shows you are serious. Not just some constituent with an axe to grind. In addition, being prepared can provide the comfort and confidence to speak to others about topics that affect us. We need people who can communicate knowledgeably and persuasively, but 6 or 8 other guys sitting in the room is not likely to help IMO. It is likely to change the dynamic of the conversation and lead to the Rep being less open and willing to engage.
                  See part in red.
                  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.*

                  *Not valid in: CA, HI, NYC, NJ, DC. May vary by location.

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                  • rritterson
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 80

                    Originally posted by IEShooter
                    As if all the above wasn't bad enough for the poor Senator, this legislative session ends in less than a month. He has to re-write the bill, then get it all the way through the entire process.

                    None of the legally viable paths available to him achieve what he wants and the more he rushes to craft the language, the worse the final bill will look. This in turn, makes it even easier for us to get it stayed and overturned.

                    Senator, we're waiting....

                    Tick tock, tick tock.......
                    I, for one, will not be giving up and letting the clock run out. We should keep fighting against it until the final whistle blows, whether that is a vote, a court judgement, or the end of the legislative session.

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                    • Kestryll
                      Head Janitor
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 21580

                      Originally posted by Left Coast Conservative
                      Is this all just a PR stunt to burnish Sen. Yee's credentials with certain groups of constituents? I can hear Yee now:

                      "Look, I tried to do something, but that evil NRA blocked me at every turn! I need help, I need your donations to me re-election campaign..."
                      I've been saying this to friends for a few days, it's just a theory of course but I'm still not convinced Yee ever intends to get this to a vote personally.

                      I wonder if this is either a trial balloon never meant to go anywhere but just to give Yee and others a look at how we would react and what our strategy would be for a real attempt later or just a bid to get free press and name recognition since he's termed out after this term and wants to run for Mayor of SF.

                      I'm not sure but there is a part of my gut that fears we're being played.
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                      • senorpeligro
                        Senior Member
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 508

                        Originally posted by Kestryll
                        I'm not sure but there is a part of my gut that fears we're being played.
                        Wouldn't it be the high-water mark for gun control in CA if it didn't pass for some reason?

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                        • IEShooter
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1101

                          Futility

                          Originally posted by rritterson
                          I, for one, will not be giving up and letting the clock run out. We should keep fighting against it until the final whistle blows, whether that is a vote, a court judgement, or the end of the legislative session.
                          Silly boy, who said anything about giving up???? Of course we'll fight it all the way.

                          Like Gene and Brandon keep reminding us, it's chess, not checkers and the good Senator and his staff simply don't have legally viable options to achieve what they really want. To make matters worse, they aren't bright enough to cut their losses and move on.

                          In the end, we still win and they still lose.

                          The grand irony in all of this is had they confronted this issue 3-4 years ago, we would have been in a world of hurt. Alas, they didn't.

                          Checkmate.

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                          • XD40SUBBIE
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 621

                            Originally posted by Mendo223
                            im just amazed that senator yee was caught shoplifting and soliticating prostitutes...and hes able to orchestrate a total violation of the constitution...

                            HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
                            You talking about this? http://www.sfweekly.com/2011-07-20/n...rt-matt-smith/

                            Yeah, this is one is a piece of work...
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                            • Mr.Sandman
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 557

                              Originally posted by Kestryll
                              ... or just a bid to get free press and name recognition since he's termed out after this term and wants to run for Mayor of SF.

                              I'm not sure but there is a part of my gut that fears we're being played.
                              I would bet my bullet button on it.

                              If I am wrong, I guess I would be stuck going featureless

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                              • DrDavid
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 568

                                Originally posted by XD40SUBBIE
                                You talking about this? http://www.sfweekly.com/2011-07-20/n...rt-matt-smith/

                                Yeah, this is one is a piece of work...
                                My new favorite article!
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