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  • drclark
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 1718

    I'm kind of thinking that if this law passes as worded several million gun owners ought to send yee a thank you note for giving us all standing to directly challenge the ca aw ban as a violation of our 2a civil rights....

    The ar15 pattern rifle is the semi automatic version of the m16/m4 rifle which is the standard issue weapon in ALL branches of the us armed forces. It is a standard issue weapon in numerous civilian law enforcement agencies at the federal, state, and local levels as well as private security corporations. It is in widespread use across the united states by private citizens for hunting, competitive shooting sports, and recreational shooting activities. The ar15 pattern rifle is the modern equivalent of the revolutionary war era flintlock musket and most qualifies as protected by the "common use" clause of the heller decision guaranteeing individuals right to possess such arms under the second amendment.

    Since 2006 the invention of the magazine retention devices commonly known as "bullet buttons" has allowed California citizens to legally possess ar15 pattern rifles with "restricted functionality" under current aw statutes and regulatory law. Since 2006 millions? (anybody have an accurate estimate of the number of BB equiped rifles currently in the state) of BB equiped ar15 pattern rifles have come into "common use" by the citizens of CA. SB249's attempt to clarify the definition of a "detachable magazine" under CA aw law retroactively criminalizes millions of law abiding citizens possess BB equiped ar15 pattern rifles. Since sb249 removes ca citizens only option to possess a class of firearms in common use across the country and across the state, it gives the citizens of ca standing to challenge the entire framework of ca aw law as a violation of their second amendment rights.

    So pass sb249 if you want to risk ca aw law being invalidated in court.

    Pass sb249 if you want to criminalize millions of California citizens as felons.

    Pass sb249 if you want to spend limited state and local resources advertising the change in status to California citizens currently in possession of BB equipped rifles, educating law enforcement agencies and the courts to this change in status, and on enforcement and prosecution of the millions of citizens currently in possession of affected rifles.

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    • FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!
      Veteran Member
      • Feb 2006
      • 3012

      Originally posted by wildhawker
      There's also this:
      Clarifying legislation would pretty much nuke that interpretation. It was a small victory though.
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      • wildhawker
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2008
        • 14150

        Originally posted by FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!
        Clarifying legislation would pretty much nuke that interpretation. It was a small victory though.
        Give me the categorical ban and takings issues on a platter, you say?

        That briar patch over there, whatever you do, don't throw me into it.

        -Brandon

        P.S. Even Sen. Yee knows it's not clarifying legislation, regardless of what they say it is.
        Brandon Combs

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        My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer.

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        • Subotai
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jun 2010
          • 11289

          They let illegals break the law, politicians ignore laws they don't like, they move guns to Mexico committing multiple felonies and murder, police ignore laws based on their chief's or mayor's directives. And they expect everybody to just be nice citizens and play nice. I'm starting to wonder why anyone obeys the law at all. I knew a girl from Poland. She said about ten years before the wall came down, people just started ignoring the commies and doing what they wanted anyway. Is this where we're headed?
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          • Prince50
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2003
            • 998

            Well, It has happened..... Yee has targeted my Bullet-Button in his sights, and I for one will not let him do it.

            What I'm seeing here is folks fighting with ourselves....

            As I've said before even when this bill did not directly affect the Bullet-Button, "donate, donate, donate." Nothing has changed, this has been BS legislation from the start. SB249 must be stopped. Donate what you can to the cause, be it money, time, or letters, just donate.

            Print out the address for the petitions, and hand them out to all your friends, and family. If they are not shooters, let them know it is important to you, and you want their help.

            Let's stop fighing each other and focus on what is at hand.

            Calguns and I need your help.

            Thanks

            Darin
            Gene Hoffman regarding the release of my first Bullet Button

            http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1&postcount=81

            www.bulletbutton.com

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            • Bhobbs
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Feb 2009
              • 11847

              Originally posted by frankm
              They let illegals break the law, politicians ignore laws they don't like, they move guns to Mexico committing multiple felonies and murder, police ignore laws based on their chief's or mayor's directives. And they expect everybody to just be nice citizens and play nice. I'm starting to wonder why anyone obeys the law at all. I knew a girl from Poland. She said about ten years before the wall came down, people just started ignoring the commies and doing what they wanted anyway. Is this where we're headed?
              No because laws don't apply to cops, politicians and other agents of the state. Laws certainly apply to us.

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              • Bhobbs
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2009
                • 11847

                Thank to Lord we have the 2A knight in shining armor in office, also known as Gov. Brown. He will never sign it. /sarcasm


                When this law passes, what are we supposed to do with our mag locked EBRs? Convert to featureless, sell, destroy or take with us on our next boating trip?

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                • DRH
                  Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 488

                  Fabio,

                  What is your take on the ex-post facto taking of weapons that were previously legal (technically speaking) and our current situtation? Would compensation be due as the weapons would be taken for the public safety (use)? Thanks for your insight, even though it is often not what everone wants to hear.

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                  • FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 3012

                    Originally posted by wildhawker
                    Give me the categorical ban and takings issues on a platter, you say?
                    Oh, so the clarifying legislation would actually be part of the 3D chess strategy? lol.
                    sigpic

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                    • cdtx2001
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 6630

                      Originally posted by wildhawker
                      There's also this:

                      THAT it awesome!!!!!!!!
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                      • ummmmmm456
                        Member
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 259

                        Originally posted by drclark
                        I'm kind of thinking that if this law passes as worded several million gun owners ought to send yee a thank you note for giving us all standing to directly challenge the ca aw ban as a violation of our 2a civil rights....

                        The ar15 pattern rifle is the semi automatic version of the m16/m4 rifle which is the standard issue weapon in ALL branches of the us armed forces. It is a standard issue weapon in numerous civilian law enforcement agencies at the federal, state, and local levels as well as private security corporations. It is in widespread use across the united states by private citizens for hunting, competitive shooting sports, and recreational shooting activities. The ar15 pattern rifle is the modern equivalent of the revolutionary war era flintlock musket and most qualifies as protected by the "common use" clause of the heller decision guaranteeing individuals right to possess such arms under the second amendment.

                        Since 2006 the invention of the magazine retention devices commonly known as "bullet buttons" has allowed California citizens to legally possess ar15 pattern rifles with "restricted functionality" under current aw statutes and regulatory law. Since 2006 millions? (anybody have an accurate estimate of the number of BB equiped rifles currently in the state) of BB equiped ar15 pattern rifles have come into "common use" by the citizens of CA. SB249's attempt to clarify the definition of a "detachable magazine" under CA aw law retroactively criminalizes millions of law abiding citizens possess BB equiped ar15 pattern rifles. Since sb249 removes ca citizens only option to possess a class of firearms in common use across the country and across the state, it gives the citizens of ca standing to challenge the entire framework of ca aw law as a violation of their second amendment rights.

                        So pass sb249 if you want to risk ca aw law being invalidated in court.

                        Pass sb249 if you want to criminalize millions of California citizens as felons.

                        Pass sb249 if you want to spend limited state and local resources advertising the change in status to California citizens currently in possession of BB equipped rifles, educating law enforcement agencies and the courts to this change in status, and on enforcement and prosecution of the millions of citizens currently in possession of affected rifles.
                        well said, i guess it would take an organized handing over of our BB devices at the same time to show that they are making millions of law abiding citizens felons. imagine how full our jails are going to be because of law abiding citizens filling them.
                        Right action is better than knowledge; but in order to do what is right, we must know what is right.

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                        • FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 3012

                          Originally posted by DRH
                          What is your take on the ex-post facto taking of weapons that were previously legal (technically speaking) and our current situtation?
                          Are the weapons legal? That is an interpretive question that has never been decided by a court. Personally I do not and would not possess a bullet button rifle with prohibited features.
                          sigpic

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                          • Subotai
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 11289

                            Originally posted by Bhobbs
                            When this law passes, what are we supposed to do with our mag locked EBRs? Convert to featureless, sell, destroy or take with us on our next boating trip?
                            Never register, never turn in. Do anything else with them, but don't let them win.
                            RKBA Clock: soap box, ballot box, jury box, cartridge box (Say When!)
                            Free Vespuchia!

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                            • njineermike
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 9784

                              Originally posted by frankm
                              Never register, never turn in. Do anything else with them, but don't let them win.
                              My nephew in Iowa gets first dibs.
                              Originally posted by Kestryll
                              Dude went full CNN...
                              Peace, love, and heavy weapons. Sometimes you have to be insistent." - David Lee Roth

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                              • ptoguy2002
                                Veteran Member
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 3863

                                Originally posted by FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!
                                Are the weapons legal? That is an interpretive question that has never been decided by a court. Personally I do not and would not possess a bullet button rifle with prohibited features.
                                If the Yee bill gets amended as is being suggested it might (banning the bullet button) and passes into law, how can it be reconciled without a big huge fuss given all the previous history of the bullet button?
                                IMHO, it can't. Besides the obvious compliance with the letter of the law, you've got multiple police department training memos that have been widely circulated saying they are legal, you've got DOJ auditors and ATF guys doing inspections of FFL's selling them without an issue, and the AG saying herself that they are legal. Given the history of either implied or explicit legality by people considered to be legal authorities, the state can't just pass a bill saying all of sudden it is "clarified" that they are illegal without a big ol huge stink.

                                Originally posted by FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!
                                It was a small victory though.
                                And I do believe that FGG has admitted that the Haynie case wasn't all bad.
                                Last edited by ptoguy2002; 08-02-2012, 9:44 AM.
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