CGF Blog: Battered Gun Owner Syndrome and the Fight for the Right to Keep and Bear...

[Kavey]

A new post today on the CGF Blog:

"Recently I got into a discussion with someone who had moved away from California. He asserted that all the litigation didn't matter and that we as civil rights supporters were not winning and, as usual, we Californians should just leave. I asked him an important question and it should be telling that he didn't answer that question publicly. I asked him how populous his supposed free state was. He privately replied that his new state's population was 3,800,000 (Oregon) and continued to accuse California gun rights supporters of being Baghdad Bob for saying that we're winning. There is no more serious case of Battered Gun Owner Syndrome or lack of understanding of what is actually going on in the US. Because I think this attitude may be a bit too common, I'm compelled to comment on it."

More here.

-Gene

[Milsurp Collector]

I asked him an important question and it should be telling that he didn't answer that question publicly.

Gene Gene Gene

What was the very first sentence in the private message I sent you?

In order to avoid hijacking the thread I'll respond this way.

The only reason I didn't respond publicly to the question you posted in the Heller II thread was because people were complaining that the thread was being hijacked, and they were right. That's why I responded by private message, because your question was irrelevant to the thread. What that should "tell" you is that I was trying to be considerate to the other people posting in that thread, nothing more.

Skimming over your blog, you seem to imply that the gun owners who left are the "battered gun owners". Wrong. No one is battering us in the free states. It is the people who live under bad gun laws who are suffering from "battered gun owner syndrome".

[dantodd]

In fact, I was the contact person for the campaign against prop. 15 in my area and brought people from the NRA, CRPA and H.L. Richardson's newly formed Gun Owners of California to lecture on the subject in our junior high school's auditorium (try securing any public school auditorium today for such a pro-gun event).

that"s a really good idea.

[RKV]

Shall issue is the new normal don't you know.

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011/10/every-picture-tells-story.html

California's legislature just hasn't figured it out. Yet.

[Wernher von Browning]

Finally, I am sick of the weak and cowardly loudly denouncing California gun owners because they won't move. What have they done to further 2nd Amendment rights? Give money? Make calls? Teach people to shoot? Hello? I have a suggestion to them: Get out of our state, we don't want you here. Goodbye.

Or, how about the retailers in other states who tell us the same thing? "I won't ship to California because I need to punish all you stupid Californians. If you don't like it, why don't you just move to a Free State?"

I think such retailers should merit special attention...

[SwissFluCase]

Or, how about the retailers in other states who tell us the same thing? "I won't ship to California because I need to punish all you stupid Californians. If you don't like it, why don't you just move to a Free State?"

I think such retailers should merit special attention...

Like a blacklist? I'm game.

Regards,


SwissFluCase

[aileron]

I think we will remain unsupported and unloved by a lot of gun owners the country over till we take home a few more big wins. Then it will start to sink in.

We're the front line to their freedoms, er... Civil Rights.


Great write up Gene.

[hoffmang]

I became involved in fighting to protect our "civil rights" back in 1982 when Proposition 15 reared its ugly head. I still live in the same semi-rural small city that I lived in during that battle. In fact, I was the contact person for the campaign against prop. 15 in my area and brought people from the NRA, CRPA and H.L. Richardson's newly formed Gun Owners of California to lecture on the subject in our junior high school's auditorium (try securing any public school auditorium today for such a pro-gun event).

Thanks for continuing to fight.

-Gene

[Shenaniguns]

Awesome Gene!

[Ubermcoupe]

You should see the putrid flavors of BGOS that occur in NY.

I do.

[Cali-Shooter]

Those that can't wait, leave. Well, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Paladin]

Like it or not, we in the PRK, will continue to get grief IMO, until: (1) we get Shall Issue for the entire state, (2) the AWB goes away, (3) the hicap ban goes away, or (4) the HG roster goes away.

Of those 4, I'm guessing we'll win #1 first. But since that won't happen for 9 months at best (I won't say what the worst could be since the "Heller 5" aren't immortal and Obama is still in office....), I just try to encourage those who are still residents that our time will come, but not for about a year or two.

If the Sunshine Initiative gets more major urban anti counties to liberalize issuance before then, that will encourage us in the PRK, but I doubt whether it will change the mind of out-of-state pro-RKBA folk. Only a decisive, MAJOR court win for the ENTIRE state will do that.

Soldier on!

[freonr22]

Sig line below. Newly added. " we are winning, we will keep winning, we are right" agreed this is the place that sets the regs for the rest of the country. We have the tenacity.

[Wernher von Browning]

Like a blacklist? I'm game.

"So the other [insert ethnic group] shot him."

I've brought it up before. There seems to be little interest. If anything, I'll be pilloried by fanboys for [insert name of retailer]. My take is, we have the power of the purse, and 13 percent of the country's population. If enough Calgunners refuse to buy ANYthing (including items they have no trouble shipping) from retailers who unfairly discriminate against us, we'll get some attention (and, conversely, support those who support us).

Following CA law, no matter how reprehensible the law, is one thing; refusing to ship where others do ship, out of ignorance or laziness or sending a "message," is something else.

Blacklist -- I'll start off with Sportsman's Guide. As schlocky an operation as you could ever hope to find.

You must have "Swiss Flu" -- me too. I was going to buy some GP11 from this outfit

http://www.fivesevenammo.com/shop/page4.html

but he won't ship to Orange County. There is absolutely no restriction on ammo shipment to OC. He also won't ship ammo to "Loyo County." I'm still looking for "Loyo County." (When these people copy boilerplate, they sometimes mistype).

Samco Global Arms (Stand back! Fanboy stampede!)

https://www.samcoglobal.com/FAQ.html

(at least they can spell "Yolo")

Others? How about a formal list, as a sticky? It should have not only the name of the retailer, but WHAT he/she won't ship, to WHERE, with links and documentation (don't want to let it turn into a screw-your-competition page where retailers blackball each other). A table or spreadsheet format would be best.

Conversely, a list of recommended dealers.
I will say...
Midway
Graf's
Seven Springs Armory (first refused to ship to Ventura, then informed himself -- http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...=fivesevenammo )
JoeBob Outfitters (good black rifle stuff, and offers a Calguns discount)

[Kavey]

Thanks for continuing to fight.

-Gene

It's what I live for.