Gov Brown's Newsroom - Check for Vetoes

[Rossi357]

Very few noticed that we asked for a short extension on the reply brief in Richards...

-Gene

Where's the beef (brief)?

[Dirk Tungsten]

Anybody got a link to the DC courts decision that held long gun registration unconstitutional? Or got the name of the case? Even a brief synopsis of the decision would be nice.

[jdberger]

This fellow traveler gives a big +1 to this statement. Aside from long gun registration, this is one big "Oh please Brer Fox, whatever you do, please don't throw me into the briar patch."

DOJ Firearms Division now has to revamp the entire DROS program. This has some interesting implications.

Nailed it.

(and that's my line)

[sasc40cal]

DROS'ing Multiple long guns is going to be a major PITA for dealers and much more expensive for us all.

1. There currently is not a software system in place for DROSING multiple long guns. They will have to build it. Bet they don't want to spend DROS $ improving the antiquated software. Verizon gets to continue their big rip off!

2. Given their current system of tracking handguns, each Gun gets it's own DROS and therefore it's own fee (albeit reduced by 4 dollars for handgun #2 in a PPT). Multiple lowers/longguns purchased now just got a ton more expensive. if this turns out to be the grab!

3. No more DROS before the long gun gets here when you purchase out of state. Now waiting 10 days to pick up you gun starts when the gun arrives at the dealer.

4. With all the extra paperwork and hassle, don't expect dealers to be doing this for the same price for out of state stuff ( or for their own inventory for that matter) Supply and demand may help, but not in the long term. Prices for services will rise.

Lets get the court case to repeal moving now!!!

Rob: Come on man, he would never do anything to destroy small businesses and make things or services harder to get. He just wouldnt lol

[SteveH]

Really?

JB vetoed the ammo bill and gave the rationale as to why he'd veto it again next year. That likely means this threat will be diminished (introduced but effectively held in abeyance). It's close to a long-term kill on our side.

UOC isn't even a primarily 2A issue - it's 1A. AB144 is wrong but will likely overall further our RKBA.

The DROS system may soon be on life-support because of JB's signature.

Carry licensing just got better which means CGF/CRPA will have more time and resources to fight other battles.

Long gun registration will likely result in favorable case law after increasing NRA membership and donations.

They celebrate after shooting themselves in the foot? We should have big grins and go to work.

And if RCoC is to be credible they'll go to court on 1A grounds.

Edit: I can't remember who the Revolutionary War general was or which battle, but at the end of the day the British held the objective they'd sought. The victorious general opined that he could not afford many more victories of that nature. That's where we've got the anti's - they may be winning some battles but they're doing it at a cost which is going to be too much for them. Many more victories which result in advancing our RKBA will lead them to increasingly desperate situations and attempts, and that is good for us.

How long are you going to believe that? Such pie in the sky optimism is easy, because if you never attach a timeline to it you can maintain it forever. Say the same thing everytime they pass a new gun ban each year.

So I'll ask a simple question. For everyone who says we are winning. When will the AW ban be overturned? Two weeks? Two months? Two years? Ten years?

Gun owners took a big step backwards last night.

[SteveH]

With regards to 809, I am going to donate $25 to CGF (or CRPA) for every long-gun or lower I buy until this legislation is overturned. Reminds me, I need to go shopping today.

Do you give your guard dog a steak everytime a burglar steals your TV? Be sure you are not providing positive reinforcement for the wrong behavior.

[Bhobbs]

Do you give your guard dog a steak everytime a burglar steals your TV? Be sure you are not providing positive reinforcement for the wrong behavior.

This isn't on CGF, man. They need the money and will win eventually for us. They didn't willingly let this pass. This is on the people who voted for Brown saying he was our guy and Meg was the devil.

[jdberger]

Do you give your guard dog a steak everytime a burglar steals your TV? Be sure you are not providing positive reinforcement for the wrong behavior.

Finger pointing when you don't/won't understand the strategy isn't helpful.

Donate. Or don't.

But before you encourage others to follow your lead, perhaps you'd like to lay out some of your ideas? Discuss what you've done this past month to further The Cause. How did you contribute to the cause of Liberty, today?

[wildhawker]

Do you give your guard dog a steak everytime a burglar steals your TV? Be sure you are not providing positive reinforcement for the wrong behavior.

CGF did not lobby any of these bills (as a 501(c)3 non-profit, it can only limitedly lobby issues; we elected to not lobby this cycle).

What are you talking about, or do you know?

-Brandon

[berto]

This isn't on CGF, man. They need the money and will win eventually for us. They didn't willingly let this pass. This is on the people who voted for Brown saying he was our guy and Meg was the devil.

1,300,000+ voters chose Brown over Whitman. I'm confident gunnies betting on Brown instead of Whitman didn't swing the election his way. This is on Brown.

You're right about CGF. Full confidence that they hoped for the best, prepared for the worst, and are ready to to go after it.

[OleCuss]

How long are you going to believe that? Such pie in the sky optimism is easy, because if you never attach a timeline to it you can maintain it forever. Say the same thing everytime they pass a new gun ban each year.

So I'll ask a simple question. For everyone who says we are winning. When will the AW ban be overturned? Two weeks? Two months? Two years? Ten years?

Gun owners took a big step backwards last night.

The state took a big step backwards yesterday. Everyone who believes in civil rights now needs to take a big step forward.

Timelines? Sorry, I spent too long in the military. There is no plan which survives contact with the enemy. It just doesn't work that way.

Even as a kid I can remember studying the Battle of El Alamein. It's a bit simplistic, but Rommel sort of lost by winning. In his case it was because he effectively advanced so far that his supply train was too long. Net effect was that he could not re-supply as could the Allies - and the fact that he had advanced to the point where the Allies would dominate the air meant that his problem was all the more acute. He also could not beat a strategic retreat.

Some similarities are being exhibited by our opponents. They are over-reaching and it is our duty to ensure the defeat they have invited.

And for a more general statement? No war was ever won by virtue of its commanders and men looking for all the ways they are being hurt. You win by locating the vulnerabilities of the OPFOR, choose the terrain and time to exploit those vulnerabilities and then attack!

Defeat is not the key. Victory is the key.

Give me an opponent who is staring into the jaws of defeat, please! The opponent who has seen that he is defeated isn't even going to bother fighting.

And if I have a soldier who is defeatist I want to send him/her elsewhere. If I'm the commander I want soldiers who are looking at all the ways they are going to defeat the enemy. I need people who may not relish the fight but who are committed to vanquishing the foe.

[Blaze Kenobi]

?'s

1) How does the ban on open carry affect the federal law of being able to carry your gun in National Forest?

2) Is there going to be a new law requiring a long gun safety certificate in the future to buy a rifle. since we need one to purchase a handgun? It could be another way of leeching money from us. I bet that this is in the works already by the Demonrats!

3) How does this affect Hunters?

4) Does the ban on open carry include Curio/Relic & Replicas as well?

F Brown! No NBA season, No open carry, No Jobs, No toys in happy meals, Traffic cameras everywhere! What's going on in California? It's more like the Lame Lame West. I think it's time to become a mountain man.

[GrayWolf09]

Really?

JB vetoed the ammo bill and gave the rationale as to why he'd veto it again next year. That likely means this threat will be diminished (introduced but effectively held in abeyance). It's close to a long-term kill on our side.

UOC isn't even a primarily 2A issue - it's 1A. AB144 is wrong but will likely overall further our RKBA.

The DROS system may soon be on life-support because of JB's signature.

Carry licensing just got better which means CGF/CRPA will have more time and resources to fight other battles.

Long gun registration will likely result in favorable case law after increasing NRA membership and donations.

They celebrate after shooting themselves in the foot? We should have big grins and go to work.

And if RCoC is to be credible they'll go to court on 1A grounds.

Edit: I can't remember who the Revolutionary War general was or which battle, but at the end of the day the British held the objective they'd sought. The victorious general opined that he could not afford many more victories of that nature. That's where we've got the anti's - they may be winning some battles but they're doing it at a cost which is going to be too much for them. Many more victories which result in advancing our RKBA will lead them to increasingly desperate situations and attempts, and that is good for us.

This is spot on!!

[Blaze Kenobi]

Can you still carry your magazines in your hip or is that a crime as well?

[morfeeis]

?'s

1) How does the ban on open carry affect the federal law of being able to carry your gun in National Forest?

2) Is there going to be a new law requiring a long gun safety certificate in the future to buy a rifle. since we need one to purchase a handgun? It could be another way of leeching money from us. I bet that this is in the works already by the Demonrats!

3) How does this affect Hunters?

4) Does the ban on open carry include Curio/Relic & Replicas as well?

F Brown! No NBA season, No open carry, No Jobs, No toys in happy meals, Traffic cameras everywhere! What's going on in California? It's more like the Lame Lame West. I think it's time to become a mountain man.

That never even crossed my mind, anyone have any word on this?