DOJ knocking on doors, Orange County

[JTizel]

Gents,



We're two pages into this discussion now.



Has anyone identified any door that was actually knocked upon by the nice agents at DOJ?



Or is this turning into another thread describing a cat chasing its own tail?

2nd this.

[M1XdColt]

No law breaking required. There were two exemptions to the laws involved which were quite easy to comply with yet allowed you to own your weapon without fear of confiscation nor registration. PC 29181 (A) lists the exemption for serial numbers quite clearly.

I totally understand that it is very easy to comply by the law and not breaking it because their was a few months or so to apply. However a lot of gun owners do not understand that the deadline is already past due nor did they care and still think they can get away. The whole purposed to register or not is they still want your guns regardless. What makes you think that it is so easy to get it back... It's harder to get it back than just to go out and get a new one. All the fee etc and so on... You already know which I'm not going into detail. The catch is even if you comply with the CA regulation... They can always or want to make up something just so that, you're breaking the regulation even when you're not. LOok how many guns owner are being confiscated already. It's looking like each week someone from hear will post up the same issue

[.45 ACP]

From my understanding, 3% of owners registered. Very succesful law that was.

Most people knew what registration was all about. The purpose hasn't changed in a century.

[Non Political Californian]

If you're someone who is willing to report on yourself and register everything with an agency that has publicly gone on record as hating you for who you are, you're also probably the type who will smile and comply when they bang on the door and demand you hand it over. In which case, you're just a disarmed liberal.

[therealnickb]

He is referring to store bought guns. There is no law for the possession of an unregistered weapon.

Assault weapons aside of course.

Except concealed hand guns. Then there is a law.

[KOOLKERRY]

"Dave's not here, man"

Open up man ! Its me Dave !

[Non Political Californian]

It was an 80% man. An 80%! No one knew he had it except him and maybe the guy he bought the 80 from. I don't understand why anyone would willingly do an 80 build just to register it.

Far better to move it out of state (legal), or not acknowledge it exist at all.

I am actually curious about an issue on the 80s.
What if someone, in theory, who is a resident of California, completed an 80 outside of California whilst on an excursion and brought it back with them?

[rodsvet]

There are two types on here, those that try to operate within the law and hope to change it, and those who are fools and brag that they think because they don't like a law that it is OK to break it. God Bless America is right on the money and those who brag that they wouldn't cow tow to this illegal law do nothing to correct it but brag on here and just give the government the idea that we are all Azzwholes like them.

[DrjonesUSA]

Didn't some guy from HCI or a similar organization argue a few weeks ago for UBC saying the goal was to "create a culture of compliance?"

Not sure, but I've read many murmurings of supposed elites / people in power making statements like that... wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Hell, wasn't a focal point of the green new deal to "provide income to those unwilling or unable to work"?

They may be succeeding. Do you think about it when you separate your garbage into organics and recyclables? No, you don't because you've been having to do it so long it's become habit.

I do think about it a lot; as I toss my "recyclables" into the garbage and garbage into recycling, smiling to myself and hoping that somewhere down the line, some enviro-nazi is having a stroke upon discovering my sinister actions.

Seriously; separating is a huge PITA and I rarely, rarely do it...I do get your point loud & clear though.

en masse to challenge any of this; no, we've become accustomed to them pouring the slow acting poison down our throat and we're grateful for whatever life they leave us?

Now the left is 2/3 of the way there largely because they have tripped over nothing on their road to that gun-free socialist paradise, you know, the one right next door to the abattoir.

And we helped them by doing nothing except whine and wail "Where was the NRA" when we should have been the ones carrying the fight, not some fund raising outfit in Waples Mills, Virginia.

There, I've said it. The next time one of you ninnies moans and cries when DoJ shows up to inspect then remove the rifle you willingly told them you have, look in the mirror and you'll see someone who never asked: do I really believe in liberty or is it easier to just submit?

All the rest of this Quoted For Truth!!!

[DrjonesUSA]

There are two types on here, those that try to operate within the law and hope to change it, and those who are fools and brag that they think because they don't like a law that it is OK to break it. God Bless America is right on the money and those who brag that they wouldn't cow tow to this illegal law do nothing to correct it but brag on here and just give the government the idea that we are all Azzwholes like them.

There are plenty of us who both practice civil disobedience while not recklessly bragging about our actions on a board that is 100% known to be monitored by government thugs, who have also done tangible work to fight this tyranny.

[God Bless America]

There are two types on here, those that try to operate within the law and hope to change it, and those who are fools and brag that they think because they don't like a law that it is OK to break it. God Bless America is right on the money and those who brag that they wouldn't cow tow to this illegal law do nothing to correct it but brag on here and just give the government the idea that we are all Azzwholes like them.

There is a third type, the civilly disobedient, who decides to disobey, but keeps it to their self. I have no complaint against them.

My complaint is against the loudmouth exhorting others to action, without having established their own such acts; or those criticizing others for their choices, while demonstrating no superior choices themselves.

Aklon asked "do I really believe in liberty or is it easier to just submit?" Well, Aklon, did you 'just submit' or did you do something? Which is it?

[jasonjm]

There are two types on here, those that try to operate within the law and hope to change it, and those who are fools and brag that they think because they don't like a law that it is OK to break it. God Bless America is right on the money and those who brag that they wouldn't cow tow to this illegal law do nothing to correct it but brag on here and just give the government the idea that we are all Azzwholes like them.

im going to say this with total sincerity.

if no one EVER broke the law, we would all be serfs, working for a king somewhere, eating just potatoes every day. There would be no America, no democracy, no rights, nothing. So start with that thought. Democracy and certainly America were both founded on the principles of non compliance with unpopular laws.

Living in california, you are guaranteed to be breaking many many laws per year - probably most without even having a clue you are breaking them, since there are 9 bazillion of them.

There are 3 ways to deal with unpopular laws

One is legislation / lobbying. This takes money, persistance, and coordination, which the CA gun lobby does not seem to have much of.
Two is protests that are so chaotic, that the law gets rescinded (like yellow jackets - France), this requires a lot of effort, a lot of mess and chaos, and a lot of skin in the game.
Three is mass non compliance, in effect making the law useless since too many do not follow it. This is the passive / lazy way out, which is why its the popular method (3% registration tells you this).

Pick your poison.

[.45 ACP]

God Bless America is right on the money and those who brag that they wouldn't cow tow to this illegal law do nothing to correct it but brag on here and just give the government the idea that we are all Azzwholes like them.

How do you know those "types" are doing nothing to change the law? That's a pretty bold assumption. In fact I would trust that those types are probably doing more than the guys who register their 80% builds.

[Afterimage]

There are plenty of us who both practice civil disobedience while not recklessly bragging about our actions on a board that is 100% known to be monitored by government thugs, who have also done tangible work to fight this tyranny.

Spot on.

[robertkjjj]

There is a third type, the civilly disobedient, who decides to disobey, but keeps it to their self. I have no complaint against them.

My complaint is against the loudmouth exhorting others to action, without having established their own such acts; or those criticizing others for their choices, while demonstrating no superior choices themselves.

Aklon asked "do I really believe in liberty or is it easier to just submit?" Well, Aklon, did you 'just submit' or did you do something? Which is it?

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Ah. But is it not permitted for someone to simply imply they are taking a particular action, rather than simply being explicit about it?