(GENERAL How Does Registration Work thread)

[CAsubject]

Sure, they had that mandatory registration in Connecticut back in 2013. But, approx. 85% of their AR-15 owners IGNORED the new law and refused to register.

Of course, unlike CA gun owners, the ones in CT still actually have balls.

I would bet money that California will have an even lower compliance rate. Most people don't even know about the laws nor do they care.

Even if the DOJ pulls a number out if their *** and says it's a gajillion percent compliance, we all know it's bull. You all hear about the recent Delta tunnels audit and the 84 million dollars of miss spent cash? How about that voter turn out in Las Angeles with over 100%? We all remember Leland Yee, right? Have you guys been on Newsom's Facebook lately to see what he's spewing? We're dealing with gangsters here folks...

They are criminals, so don't bank on them playing fair.

[Discogodfather]

Sure, they had that mandatory registration in Connecticut back in 2013. But, approx. 85% of their AR-15 owners IGNORED the new law and refused to register.

Of course, unlike CA gun owners, the ones in CT still actually have balls.

But they don't have legally owned guns, and have to look over their shoulders and never use their weapons publicly. That's the flip side and the truth of what happened there, tell the whole story. You imply there was no consequence, and that they are all happily and publicly expressing and using their 2A rights.

Meanwhile their version of the 9th is out to lunch not caring a whiff about their plights. Literally hiding in your closet in fear isn't winning a 2A argument.

[CandG]

Yea I have tags that label and rank my firearms based on assaultness.

The lowest being table assalt, then assault water, sea assault, pure sodium chloride being the highest level of assualtyness

that way they know to grab the saltiest assault weapons in there first

That's a really good idea. They can also use moisture sensors to detect the driest area in my house to locate the saltiest weapons

[Discogodfather]

That's a really good idea. They can also use moisture sensors to detect the driest area in my house to locate the saltiest weapons

I use these salt bags in my safes as desiccants. Will these effect the assault level of my RAW?

[CandG]

I use these salt bags in my safes as desiccants. Will these effect the assault level of my RAW?

The RAWness of the salty weapons depends on how much it's been processed. If you're using Morton's, then it's only a little RAW. But the pink Himalayan stuff is what gets you in real trouble.

[CandG]

I would bet money that California will have an even lower compliance rate. Most people don't even know about the laws nor do they care.

I believe that's an accurate prediction.

DOJ is predicting 1.5 million weapons to be registered. I'm betting it will be 1/10th that, or less. Probably closer to 1/100th of that.

That's purely based on my personal observations. I have a lot of acquaintances that possess what are now called "assault weapons", and most were not familiar with the latest ban until I told them about it. They all planned to register after the 1st of the year (2017), but after the DOJ f***ed around for EIGHT MONTHS, most of them completely forgot about it. For a while, they were asking me "so can I register yet?" and I would say "no, not yet." Then they'd ask again, and I'd keep saying "No, not yet." Eventually they quit asking. A few have asked me more recently and I said "Yes, you can, but I wouldn't yet, there's a lot still yet to be determined about how it'll work." At this point I've gotten the impression that none of them really care anymore.

And that's people who have access to someone with a lot of knowledge on the subject - something most people don't have.

DOJ has done nothing to inform the public about any of this. Not a damn thing! If people aren't on calguns, or know an active calgunner, or read the DOJ BOF website or the CA legislature website regularly, they wouldn't even know that there is a new AW ban.

DOJ severely failed the citizens of this state, and it's going to result in a lot of people getting in trouble. And I'm relatively certain it was intentional.

[caliguy93]

I believe that's an accurate prediction.

DOJ is predicting 1.5 million weapons to be registered. I'm betting it will be 1/10th that, or less. Probably closer to 1/100th of that.

That's purely based on my personal observations. I have a lot of acquaintances that possess what are now called "assault weapons", and most were not familiar with the latest ban until I told them about it. They all planned to register after the 1st of the year (2017), but after the DOJ f***ed around for EIGHT MONTHS, most of them completely forgot about it. For a while, they were asking me "so can I register yet?" and I would say "no, not yet." Then they'd ask again, and I'd keep saying "No, not yet." Eventually they quit asking. A few have asked me more recently and I said "Yes, you can, but I wouldn't yet, there's a lot still yet to be determined about how it'll work." At this point I've gotten the impression that none of them really care anymore.

And that's people who have access to someone with a lot of knowledge on the subject - something most people don't have.

DOJ has done nothing to inform the public about any of this. Not a damn thing! If people aren't on calguns, or know an active calgunner, or read the DOJ BOF website or the CA legislature website regularly, they wouldn't even know that there is a new AW ban.

DOJ severely failed the citizens of this state, and it's going to result in a lot of people getting in trouble. And I'm relatively certain it was intentional.

God ain't that the truth... I've got a couple of friends that I text and tell them should start registering their stuff now as we have no idea how long itl take and they just kind of brush it off with the attitude as theyl do it at some point. I figure only a small percentage of people on Calguns plus a very tiny percentage of gun store regulars will be registering as nobody else even knows about it. Gov agencies always predict 1% turnout with these things.. 1.5 million registered guns with approx 150 million guns in CA? Not sure but I think those numbers might sound right. Though it's probably .1% and my guess is they are lucky to get 150k guns registered

[Discogodfather]

God ain't that the truth... I've got a couple of friends that I text and tell them should start registering their stuff now as we have no idea how long itl take and they just kind of brush it off with the attitude as theyl do it at some point. I figure only a small percentage of people on Calguns plus a very tiny percentage of gun store regulars will be registering as nobody else even knows about it. Gov agencies always predict 1% turnout with these things.. 1.5 million registered guns with approx 150 million guns in CA? Not sure but I think those numbers might sound right. Though it's probably .1% and my guess is they are lucky to get 150k guns registered

According to my math and estimates, between 2001-2016 3 million BB AW was sold. That's off what I thought was a completely conservative estimate that of the total amount of rifles dros'd, 20% were BB AW. I would think it would have been much higher than that, considering the amount of BB guns that were completely freely sold after 2011. You can look up the DROS numbers here in PDF form.

Looks like DOJ said 10% were BB AW. Ok, whatever, I would have guessed much higher. If we get 10% of 1.5 million I would be surprised.

Of note is the amount of AW sucked up in CA between 1989-2001 across three reg periods. Let's say that between the beginning of the State of CA until 1991, or the year long gun DROS transactions were first recorded, that there were 100,000 rifles considered AW by the 1989 Ban. I pull that number out of thin air because I have no idea, that's rifles sold that were "black rifles" between 1968-1989.

Let's continue to the next decade, and count up long gun sales in CA. and it comes to approx 2,000,000. Let's say 10% of those sales were AW, a reasonable figure for the time. Black guns were not super popular in those days, and that's what I remember seeing at gun shows and LGS, about 10% inventory was a black rifle. So 100,000 AW.

So those estimates add up to:

1968-2001 Approximate AW in CA sold and owned = 200,000.

1989-2001 AWCA reg periods yielded 150,000 entered into the registry. That would make it approximately 75% of the AW in CA were registered.

Unless my estimates are widely off, they got a good chunk of AW into the registry. It helped that in 1989 they published commercials, newspaper ads, and pamphlets at gun shows. They also opened the reg period for nearly three years, until 1992.

The 2000 and 2001 periods had no fanfare at all. No public notice and no effort to educate and inform.

So if we assume that now, in 2017 that:

There are approximately 1.7 million AW in CA (200k from 1968-2001, 1.5 million from 2001-2016) and we also assume that they will get approximately 150,000 registrations from this latest (5th) reg period, then 300,000 AW will be registered in CA.

That's roughly 18% of AW in CA registered, with 82% unregistered.

[CAsubject]

I believe that's an accurate prediction.

DOJ is predicting 1.5 million weapons to be registered. I'm betting it will be 1/10th that, or less. Probably closer to 1/100th of that.

That's purely based on my personal observations. I have a lot of acquaintances that possess what are now called "assault weapons", and most were not familiar with the latest ban until I told them about it. They all planned to register after the 1st of the year (2017), but after the DOJ f***ed around for EIGHT MONTHS, most of them completely forgot about it. For a while, they were asking me "so can I register yet?" and I would say "no, not yet." Then they'd ask again, and I'd keep saying "No, not yet." Eventually they quit asking. A few have asked me more recently and I said "Yes, you can, but I wouldn't yet, there's a lot still yet to be determined about how it'll work." At this point I've gotten the impression that none of them really care anymore.

And that's people who have access to someone with a lot of knowledge on the subject - something most people don't have.

DOJ has done nothing to inform the public about any of this. Not a damn thing! If people aren't on calguns, or know an active calgunner, or read the DOJ BOF website or the CA legislature website regularly, they wouldn't even know that there is a new AW ban.

DOJ severely failed the citizens of this state, and it's going to result in a lot of people getting in trouble. And I'm relatively certain it was intentional.

Hopefully this insidious intent helps us in the lawsuit?
As far as I'm concerned, this is entrapment.

According to my math and estimates, between 2001-2016 3 million BB AW was sold. That's off what I thought was a completely conservative estimate that of the total amount of rifles dros'd, 20% were BB AW. I would think it would have been much higher than that, considering the amount of BB guns that were completely freely sold after 2011. You can look up the DROS numbers here in PDF form.

Looks like DOJ said 10% were BB AW. Ok, whatever, I would have guessed much higher. If we get 10% of 1.5 million I would be surprised.

Of note is the amount of AW sucked up in CA between 1989-2001 across three reg periods. Let's say that between the beginning of the State of CA until 1991, or the year long gun DROS transactions were first recorded, that there were 100,000 rifles considered AW by the 1989 Ban. I pull that number out of thin air because I have no idea, that's rifles sold that were "black rifles" between 1968-1989.

Let's continue to the next decade, and count up long gun sales in CA. and it comes to approx 2,000,000. Let's say 10% of those sales were AW, a reasonable figure for the time. Black guns were not super popular in those days, and that's what I remember seeing at gun shows and LGS, about 10% inventory was a black rifle. So 100,000 AW.

So those estimates add up to:

1968-2001 Approximate AW in CA sold and owned = 200,000.

1989-2001 AWCA reg periods yielded 150,000 entered into the registry. That would make it approximately 75% of the AW in CA were registered.

Unless my estimates are widely off, they got a good chunk of AW into the registry. It helped that in 1989 they published commercials, newspaper ads, and pamphlets at gun shows. They also opened the reg period for nearly three years, until 1992.

The 2000 and 2001 periods had no fanfare at all. No public notice and no effort to educate and inform.

So if we assume that now, in 2017 that:

There are approximately 1.7 million AW in CA (200k from 1968-2001, 1.5 million from 2001-2016) and we also assume that they will get approximately 150,000 registrations from this latest (5th) reg period, then 300,000 AW will be registered in CA.

That's roughly 18% of AW in CA registered, with 82% unregistered.

It's hard to gather retroactive and verifiable data. I wonder how they would come up with 10%.

[smith629]

IMO people like the OP shouldn't own firearms. If you're not willing to stand up for your rights, stand down and sell your collection.

I know you feel good about yourself and want everyone to congratulate you on being "first" to follow the rules, but you're not doing other gun owners a favor. You are the type of individual that would report your neighbor to authorities of possessing unregistered weapons so they get thrown of jail and you feel consoled. We all remember "that kid" in school...

[epilepticninja]

Sure, they had that mandatory registration in Connecticut back in 2013. But, approx. 85% of their AR-15 owners IGNORED the new law and refused to register.

Of course, unlike CA gun owners, the ones in CT still actually have balls.

So true, so true. Cause we all know the gun grabbing socialist politicians and gun-hating groups of this state are going to use registration as a talking point on how well gun control works. The more people that register just bolsters their point.

[smupser]

God ain't that the truth... I've got a couple of friends that I text and tell them should start registering their stuff now as we have no idea how long itl take and they just kind of brush it off with the attitude as theyl do it at some point.

What's really sad is the people who don't really care. I have buddies like this who have no idea as to the consequences of getting caught with an unregistered assault rifle. Guys with families and livelihoods that have a lot to lose because of their complacency. But it's the same reason laws like prop 63 passed, not enough education about what these laws really are combined with typical California gun owner mentally of not really caring how much of their 2A rights are stripped away

[Daddo]

Magazine locking device = non-detachable magazine as outlined and clearly defined by the DOJ = non-assault weapon = no need to register.

Go featureless = have a normal magazine release button = non-assault weapon = no registration.

All this applies to centerfire rifles only, rimfires are completely exempt, no need to reconfigure.

Am I missing something here?

[Discogodfather]

IMO people like the OP shouldn't own firearms. If you're not willing to stand up for your rights, stand down and sell your collection.

I know you feel good about yourself and want everyone to congratulate you on being "first" to follow the rules, but you're not doing other gun owners a favor. You are the type of individual that would report your neighbor to authorities of possessing unregistered weapons so they get thrown of jail and you feel consoled. We all remember "that kid" in school...

Post you would expect from some random kid, just joined member, not a senior.

Hopefully your kid got a hold of your account and posted that, otherwise it's shameful and silly.

[CandG]

People who wait 10 days for a new gun don't deserve guns. If they don't just walk out of the store with their purchase that day, they should sell their whole collection. Same with people who don't make machine guns. Those people aren't worthy of gun ownership either. People who fill out a 4473 are also unworthy of gun ownership.

See how dumb it sounds when you comply with some laws and then insult people who comply with other ones?